<p>Mera Bharat Mahan! :)
sau mein se ninyanbe beimaan :p (Dialogue taken from the movie '16th December')</p>
<p>Pakistan owns India in cricket.</p>
<p>heheh...who said that?? U just lost 4-1 in the recently concluded series!</p>
<p>We let India win :D. They do good in World Cup matches.</p>
<p>EAD,</p>
<p>You totally missed the point of that blog...again. I'm starting to really question if you're reading it.</p>
<p>He was showing how MEMRI broadcasted a show that openly portrayed Jews as nothing but devils and cruel monsters. He was using satire. Try reading it again.</p>
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I did know that Ari and no I am not one of those "evil JOOS" types. I commend you for evading a debate which you quite simply cannot win.
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<p>What, you think I don't know that Israel's done some nasty stuff? Gimme a break. I'm not some total supporter of Israel. But the general image of Jews in most Arab states is not exactly what I would call flattering.</p>
<p>But hey, apparently it's okay to make Jews into devils. Just don't badmouth Muslims. </p>
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It generally isn't advisable to use satire when you explain the punchline first and it is very predictable to the intended target.
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<p>Oh man, you got me! I was totally trying to be subtle, but you figured it out. ::Slow 80s clap::</p>
<p>Gimme a break. </p>
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The majority of Muslims did respond with PEACEFUL protests after the offensive Mohammed caricatures were reprinted. Extremists and radicals exist in every single religion and faith, including the peaceful religion of Islam.
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<p>Right. But you see here's the thing: I don't believe that we should support any of them. They all get equal amounts of criticism from me. What, because they're Muslims, we should just pat them on the head and send them on their merry ways? That's what you seem to be advocating.</p>
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I think UCLari has no common sense and is simply rejecting out arguments the way he rejected God: through stubborness and naivity.
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<p>Read: I can't make a decent argument, so instead I'm going to resort to an ad hominem.</p>
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I also think UCLari needs a teaching of Islam: the most important ideal is not peace, but SUBMISSION to God. My bashing Mohammed, you not only attack Islam, but also God's supreme messenger (according to Muslims). The reaction was definitely not surprising. I think you have no authority to dictate what the Muslims did was right or wrong.
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<p>So basically, any act of violence can be justified? The Holocaust, Armenian Genocide, and other large scale massacres can be justified as long as the group doing it can justify it with religion?</p>
<p>Huh. So why can't I go out and murder someone if my religion says he's an affront to my deity?</p>
<p>See, here's the thing:</p>
<p>If the Israelis went and decided to go bomb MEMRI for the rubbish that gets shown on their network, Muslims would be up in arms in a heartbeat. But Muslims commit violence for cartoons of a much less severe nature than what gets shown on MEMRI, and they're justified?</p>
<p>I love it. You're basically saying that Muslims can murder left and right, but that other groups should show restraint.</p>
<p>LOL, he's making a ****load of ASSumptions again....</p>
<p>Well, here's your logic so far, JamesN:</p>
<p>Muslims were offended by cartoons.
Some of them committed violence.
However, because it was a religious offence, they were justified.
Jews, on the other hand, should suck it up and accept it when MEMRI shows them to be nothing but dirt.
Muslims were totally justified in committing violence.
Therefore, religious offences justify violence.</p>
<p>Sure, the logic isn't perfect, but that seems to be the thrust of your argument.</p>
<p>UCLAri...</p>
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You totally missed the point of that blog...again. I'm starting to really question if you're reading it.</p>
<p>He was showing how MEMRI broadcasted a show that openly portrayed Jews as nothing but devils and cruel monsters. He was using satire. Try reading it again.
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Ari, as I have said before, the opinion of a deranged Saudi man posting in a remote blog will not bother the Jews as much as a blatant defamation of a religious figure through the mainstream media will, much like what happened with the Danish newspaper incident.</p>
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But hey, apparently it's okay to make Jews into devils. Just don't badmouth Muslims.
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There you go again with your misfitted satire...please provide rational explanations to back up your point/s(if you had any with this statement).</p>
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Right. But you see here's the thing: I don't believe that we should support any of them. They all get equal amounts of criticism from me. What, because they're Muslims, we should just pat them on the head and send them on their merry ways? That's what you seem to be advocating.
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WHAT, you hate Muslims??? Good, they don't exactly like closeminded Westerners like you either, as demonstrated by 9/11 and other terrorist attacks worldwide. Gee, with all this global interfaith unity, it's a wonder that we have not achieved world peace already.:rolleyes:</p>
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Well, here's your logic so far, JamesN:</p>
<p>Muslims were offended by cartoons.
Some of them committed violence.
However, because it was a religious offence, they were justified.
Jews, on the other hand, should suck it up and accept it when MEMRI shows them to be nothing but dirt.
Muslims were totally justified in committing violence.
Therefore, religious offences justify violence.</p>
<p>Sure, the logic isn't perfect, but that seems to be the thrust of your argument.
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<p>Haha, you really didnt understand me lol. Here're my points in short:</p>
<p>Muslims were offended</p>
<p>The majority protested peacefully but those inciting violence got the media attention.</p>
<p>Their actions are no way justified, but their response is of NO SURPRISE and the Westerners should have EXPECTED THE CONSEQUENCES for their uncalled actions.</p>
<p>Just because a VERY FEW Arabs make fun of MEMRI, that makes no justification to generalise about Muslims, because Muslims in dont bash holy figures.</p>
<p>Religious offenses dont justify violence, they PROVOKE it. </p>
<p>Finally, your comparison with the Holocaust and genocide is truly laughable.</p>
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Ari, as I have said before, the opinion of a deranged Saudi man posting in a remote blog will not bother the Jews as much as a blatant defamation of a religious figure through the mainstream media will, much like what happened with the Danish newspaper incident.
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<p>This was a movie shown on MEMRI. You do know what MEMRI is, right? This was him just showing how bad the movie was in its treatments of Jews. Please, just read before you post.</p>
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There you go again with your misfitted satire...please provide rational explanations to back up your point/s(if you had any with this statement).
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<p>I've seen at least two programs shown on MEMRI or Saudi TV that have shown Jews as being bloodthirsty monsters/demons. One even suggested that they kill children to make Passover matzoh. How is this not on a similarly repugnant level? How can the people who called for violence look themselves in the mirror when they support programming like this?</p>
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WHAT, you hate Muslims???
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<p>You really can't read, I'm sorry. I never said that! </p>
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Good, they don't exactly like closeminded Westerners like you either, as demonstrated by 9/11 and other terrorist attacks worldwide. Gee, with all this global interfaith unity, it's a wonder that we have not achieved world peace already.
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<p>How am I closed minded? Because I condemn violence by ALL religious groups? Because I'm for free speech?</p>
<p>Gee, sounds real closed minded to me.</p>
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Their actions are no way justified, but their response is of NO SURPRISE and the Westerners should have EXPECTED THE CONSEQUENCES for their uncalled actions
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<p>So the next time Muslims show Jews as bloodthirsty monsters, they should expect a nice air raid from Israel?</p>
<p>Oh, and way to go lumping all Europeans together. Because we know they're all the same. And I get called ignorant?</p>
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Just because a VERY FEW Arabs make fun of MEMRI, that makes no justification to generalise about Muslims, because Muslims in dont bash holy figures.
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<p>Do you even know what MEMRI is? Try researching your facts before you open your mouth and sound like a buffoon, kid.</p>
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Finally, your comparison with the Holocaust and genocide is truly laughable.
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<p>Hey, according to many groups that have committed genocide, their actions were "provoked." The Germans legitimized it by saying that the Jews provoked them, and the Hutus in Rwanda claim the same thing in regard to the Tutsis. Why is that any different? Because this was religious in nature, the provocation is acceptable grounds for violence?</p>
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So the next time Muslims show Jews as bloodthirsty monsters, they should expect a nice air raid from Israel?
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<p>Why do you make so much generlizations? Islam is a vast civilization throughout the world and you have indeed proven you are an idiot by claiming Muslims depict such an image of Jews.</p>
<p>Go read about Islam and the Middle East. You are clearly misinformed about everything.</p>
<p>No, JamesN it is you who always makes unfounded generalizations. YOU are the one who is misinformed and needs to do some research. Who knows, you might finally learn something.</p>
<p>haha, i see you havent read your history book yet. No need to repond to you anymore since your brain is nothing but a rock :D</p>
<p>Well at least a rock has substance. Your brain, on the other hand, is hollow.</p>
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Well at least a rock has substance. Your brain, on the other hand, is hollow.
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<p>Instead of denying it, you actually agreed that your brain is like a rock LOL. Wow, i enjoy making a fool of you :D. You're too easy man.</p>
<p>all this hooplah over caricatures and the middle east. incredibly how two nations/cultures tensions can cause tension even in those of us who have no part in it.</p>
<p>well technically even if his brain itself was hollow, it would still have the outer parts of the brain, thus making you both substance filled =)</p>