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For, example, the Ivies collectively probably have at least twice as many top academic programs as the US News "next eight", excluding MIT and Caltech. This is when you compare program by program.
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<p>How would this comparison exactly work since the Ivies do not occupy the top 8 ranked spots? Are the "next eight" the schools listed right after Brown (ranked 14) or are they the eight highest ranked non-Ivy League schools? Why exclude MIT and Caltech? </p>
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<li>Princeton University<br></li>
<li>Harvard University<br></li>
<li>Yale University</li>
<li>University of Pennsylvania<br></li>
<li>Columbia University</li>
<li>Dartmouth College </li>
<li>Cornell University<br></li>
<li><p>Brown University </p></li>
<li><p>Stanford University<br>
*5. California Institute of Technology </p></li>
<li><p>Massachusetts Institute of Technology * </p></li>
<li><p>Duke University</p></li>
<li><p>University of Chicago </p></li>
<li><p>Washington University in St. Louis </p></li>
<li><p>Northwestern University </p></li>
<li><p>Johns Hopkins University </p></li>
<li><p>Rice University</p></li>
<li><p>Emory University</p></li>
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And, Cornell has as many or more top academic programs as the other Ivies, not counting Cornell's unique programs.
<p>I think that we have to distinguish between two related but different concepts. One is the quality of the education. the other is prestige--the difference in the value of the degree. Rightly or wrongly, all of the Ivies have national and even international name recognition; thus, the value of the degree is higher. I just don't think that nationally, the name recognition is as great for (for example) Wash. U., Emory, or even Duke.</p>
<p>EMM1, you will find it very, very hard to find someone who hasn't heard of Duke. Athletics and the lacrosse scandal have played no small role in this. I'm studying overseas and haven't met anyone who hasn't heard of Duke, so I'm not convinced. In fact, a London newspaper recently ranked Duke #13 in the world. Dartmouth and Brown, on the other hand, are simply not as well known, and Penn often gets confused with Penn State.</p>
<p>Really? I think it would be quite easy depending on geographic location. In the educated community that posts on this board, I know that's hard to fathom.</p>
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Isnt this a GREAT country? Every year tens of thousands of international students apply to colleges in the United States LARGELY because the university admissions systems in their home countries are even more unfair and elitist. That is VERY true in Western Europe
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<p>I'll drink to that!</p>
<p>Actually Sarkozy recently tried to get some sort of university reforms to allow French universities to become competitive again. Don't know if he got it through or not.</p>
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I'm studying overseas and haven't met anyone who hasn't heard of Duke, so I'm not convinced. In fact, a London newspaper recently ranked Duke #13 in the world. Dartmouth and Brown, on the other hand, are simply not as well known, and Penn often gets confused with Penn State.
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<p>In addition, many might have "heard" about a school but know ABSOLUTELY nothing about it. This is a rather easy test: Ask someone if he knows School A and you'll get a positive reply. Then ask, "Where is the school located" and you'll get a blank stare. </p>
<p>This is not very different from the stories reported by traveling adcoms: when they asked a full auditorium to stand up if they planned to apply to an Ivy, almost every parent and student did. Then they asked to name ONE teacher at the school or sit down ... everyone had to sit down! </p>
<p>This said, the lack of knowledge about a school has never been much of an impediment to express strong opinions about it, as this precise forum easily confirms.</p>
<p>Nope, Wales. I spent a weekend in Edinburgh but couldn't pluck up the courage to eat some of the dishes. I did try the Cornish pasties, though. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>IN these parts....USC is known as The University of South Carolina (Columbia) and it boasts one of the finest International Business programs around. LOL.</p>
<p>xiggi, there's no need to be a smart-aleck. I was just asking a simple question, and you could have given a nice response. IMO, Cornell's got both quantity and quality; just take a look at their engineering, hotel, and ILR schools, which are among some of the best in the country.</p>
<p>hawkette-
Very little has changed in 20 years. It just is not true. For example, the difference in selectivity between the Ivies and the dozen or so elite non-Ivies is about the same now as it was 20 years ago.</p>
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Cornell actually has at least as many programs that would be considered among the best in the country as any other Ivy, maybe more. So, it is both quality and quantity. More of the best.</p>
<p>"Next eight" means the eight highest ranked private schools aside from the Ivies, excluding Caltech and MIT. Caltech and MIT are tech schools, narrower focus.</p>
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IN these parts....USC is known as The University of South Carolina (Columbia) and it boasts one of the finest International Business programs around. LOL.</p>
<p>SO it all depends on how you slice em.
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<p>And yet when given the choice, how many students with international career aspirations will choose Moore over, say, a CBS, Chicago GSB, or Wharton? I'll bet not many.</p>
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xiggi, there's no need to be a smart-aleck. I was just asking a simple question, and you could have given a nice response. IMO, Cornell's got both quantity and quality; just take a look at their engineering, hotel, and ILR schools, which are among some of the best in the country.
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<p>DD, I gave you a direct path to the answer to your question which, based on your follow-up post with the "IMO," seemingly was a rather leading one. </p>
<p>When it comes to opinions, it is "To each its own," isn't it!</p>