The Ivy League is Pushing It

@dancelance‌ You know the .23 GPA over 4 years amounts to more than a few A- or one B. And the APs and ECs are not even close.

I am guessing that if my URM son had been in the OP’s HS, he would have felt like my son stole his place as he “only” had a 32 on his ACT and was ranked 16th. IMHO, if you are pulling all-nighters on a regular basis in HS, something is seriously wrong. I have a very clear memory of my son saying that he had to study for his AP Bio test and 30 minutes later he was back at the piano playing and singing While I can’t vouch for the difficulty or lack thereof of his class and HS tests, he did get a 5 on the AP Bio Test. What I am trying to point out with this example is that there are many students who are admitted to Ivy League schools who didn’t spend HS consistently burning the midnight oil studying. They had high grades with minimal effort and spent the rest of their time pursuing other things that interested them, including sometimes (gasp) going to parties, playing video games or just hanging out with friends. I think it was Hunt who said that it is a common misconception that all the kids admitted to the top-tier schools, worked really hard at academics in HS.

As of last week, I would have been able to say that my son, as a sophomore, still hadn’t pulled an all-nighter. However, during our last weekly Sunday phone call, he told me that his comp sci problem wasn’t cooperating last week and he had to start with a new solution at 2 a.m. and pulled his first all-nighter. According to him, once was enough! :slight_smile:

The idea that my son, or any other URM, stole a spot that belonged to someone else is absolutely ridiculous. Only 8% of my son’s class is AA, hence the moniker URM. Read Emenya’s post on the first page of this thread. His gratitude and positive spirit should be an example for all. Anyone who thinks that an unqualified URM stole his/her spot, should be required to read his post.

@hebegebe And @emenya is a black male (how about that @fallcolors). He is also classy. No threads complaining about the whites and Asians who take 80% of the seats.

@fallcolors Harvard or Yale University Class of 2019 maybe Princeton or Brown–ACT 35.

The fact you are complaining about my presumable insults about your irrelevant language uncontxual semantics means they are getting to you! Good night bruh :wink:

@momofmusician17‌ How many AP classes did your son take? As many as the OP? Did he take all the same ones incl. AP Calc BC? What does he major in in college? STEM? Engineering majors regularly pull all-nighters.

Regardless, clearly the OP didn’t get the memo. He actually thought getting good grades and good ECs is what it takes to get you into an elite school. Silly him! Should’ve partied his way through high school, would’ve given him better people skills, which is much more important for elite schools as we are told by some here.

@momofamucisian17 What is hs major?

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@fallcolors, no one really thinks the other kid is academically stronger based on his ACT. We are just pointing out that for the OP (and you) to assume that he is clearly academically inferior is false.

With regard to colleges using GPA, you’re right, they do, but not all schools use the same grading schemes (coughbrowncough) and again many graduate and professional schools (and employers) don’t use GPA or standardized test scores alone to determine who they want. Why should college be any different?

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