The Magnitude of Asian Discrimination.. I mean Affirmative Action.. at Stanford Admit

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<p>I told you, I didn’t post anything about URM’s with inferior scores. Just two friends. Aaaand you used “ultimatum” wrong.</p>

<p>So is the difference between a 2400 and a 2330 also statistically insignificant? </p>

<p>There is no need to make a model on SAT scores based on the mean. The data for past years is all out there. If I remember correctly, a few thousand score at each notch above 2300, though I’m guessing that it tapers off as it approaches 2400. My Stats is a bit rusty though, because I took the class last year. </p>

<p>Regardless, I’ll take your argument and apply it to my 2350 vs. a 2400: it could be a bit of a curve, combined with a careless algebra error (or two). </p>

<p>Since I didn’t mention it earlier:the highest single score I’ve gotten is a 2350. 790/760/800. Same sitting as you, I believe. 2370 is my superscore though, bumped up 20 points on the math. So I only beat you by a handful of subjective writing points. Then again, writing has a pretty generous curve usually.</p>

<p>I am merely being realistic and using self-effacing humor. I’ll do it again: I know that my cousin is in many ways better than me. She was, and still is, my role model. If she, my ideal, is not good enough for Stanford, what can a poor imitation such as I hope for? I’ve heard many other stories of Chinese kids with stats better than mine getting rejected. Yet, I should try. If I don’t try, my chances are zero. At least this way I can say I tried. My ego is big enough to try, but not big enough to believe that I would get in. I am expecting rejection a heckuva lot more than acceptance.</p>

<p>To a great extent, what colleges see is this “laundry list” of achievements. There’s no space on the app for natural awesomeness and the like. Her laundry list was longer and more impressive than mine. :P</p>

<p>I was referring to subjectives in the sense of extra-curriculars-- I mean, it’s not like my friends whipped up essays for the guy to read on the spot. We’re in the same sort of EC’s: math, sci oly, orchestra, that sort of thing. Sure, it is a somewhat unlikely situation. But, I did follow up that little bit of RL ■■■■■■■■ with a survey with the two otherwise identical stats. Did it scientifically too.</p>

<p>So why is this black kid an outlier? Why isn’t the Asian kid? And isn’t it kinda racist saying that Asians are only good at tennis? Your example of the top 100 basketball players makes the juxtaposition (lol, English term) of my friends seem like it happens all the time.</p>

<p>My cuz went to Juilliard anyways. She got into a bunch of UC’s, UChicago, Rice and Penn. WL at Harvard. Great place, she loves it, doesn’t change the fact that Stanford was her firstie.</p>

<p>And here is a laundry list of a different sort.

  1. Don’t make excuses for your not-perfect scores. You dun goofed. I dun goofed. Oh wellz.
  2. The personal attacks are irrelevant to this argument. Kthnx.
  3. Stop throwing out all this crap about classes you’ve taken. I’ve taken them too.
  4. Your use of sarcasm is heavy handed, and you seem to be unable to notice it in subtler forms. But I guess that’s okay, since this is the inflectionless internet.
  5. Condescension</p>

<p>@CoolRunning: I hope you’re being sarcastic. If you mean “winner” as in an euphemism for “overly assertive”, which is a euphemism for something else, then sure.</p>

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<p>What do you want me to say (make excuses for)?</p>

<p>Bring some TALENTS beyond STATS is the point . . . unless you just don’t want to listen.</p>

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<p>Julliard? Well, your cuz certainly has talent; congrats to her! Maybe Stanford did not have enough chairs that year? Can you see why this may be possible/probable?</p>

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<p>We talking stats the class or GPA/SAT stats? O_O </p>

<p>Far as talent goes, there are few in the world with inborn talent. Of course, there are the intellectual demi-gods who go IMO and stuff-- they go where they want. Although I somewhat detest Amy Chau for being a capitalist who hawks her sensationalized version of the Asian-American experience, she is somewhat right. Hard work is key. But really, isn’t being able to do that hard work in and of itself a sort of talent? There’s a bit of a paradox for ya. :P</p>

<p>Eh. I figure that being a great musician would help rather than harm your chances of getting into a good college. </p>

<p>It’s 1:40AM, I’m going to bed. XP</p>

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<p>=/= Indian!</p>

<p>Seriously, are Indians really overrepresented at universities like Stanford or do people just put them in the ‘Asian’ rubric and use that as a reason to take affirmative action?</p>

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<p>@freezing beast
I completely understood your point thats why I put quotes around “those people” I those were essentially air quotes. I was pointing out that America lumped all the Asians together when they attacked, when they did the Japanese internment camps, and often times in present day. I know my history very well and I understand that Japan was the United States’s main enemy in WWII because of Pearl Harbor. The homogeneous population I was referring to is the Japanese (I was excluding the island raids that occurred before we began attacking Japan directly.</p>

<p>And I’m not trying to be rude so don’t take this the wrong way but I just wanted to remind you of the statement I made because you didn’t address it “The only problem critics of affirmative action have is they don’t propose any alternatives (other than complete removal of the current policy and ignoring the past and present racial discrimination).”</p>

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<p>Well here we go again adchang. First of all, I was not making excuses for my not-perfect SAT score I was just responding to your point that you could “be a dick” and try to show how your 2370 is somehow greater than my 2300, by saying that you can’t. The difference between them is statistically insignificant. If you want to try and tell me that because you got two or three more questions correct than I did, that you are somehow better than me you are sadly mistaken.</p>

<p>For the record, I did use the word “ultimatum” properly. As we previously established, English is not your first language; just because you learned some grammar rules and wrote some bs essay that probably earned you a ten or higher doesn’t mean you are more proficient with rhetoric than I am (condescending I know but you made a sad attempt to patronize me). Also, I’m not specifically attacking your essay by saying it was bs I am just pointing out that how the SAT reviewers grade essays is garbage.</p>

<p>On another note:
“So why is this black kid an outlier? Why isn’t the Asian kid? And isn’t it kinda racist saying that Asians are only good at tennis? Your example of the top 100 basketball players makes the juxtaposition (lol, English term) of my friends seem like it happens all the time.”</p>

<p>You’re a intelligent (but somewhat misguided) person: so tell me, where in my post did I say that Asians weren’t good at any other sports. Did I mention gymnastics or ping pong (and no I’m not being racist or sarcastic I consider that a serious and amazing sport)? I was referring to sports where Asians are underrepresented (in America), which is essentially every sport other than those I just listed. At my school we have an Asian point guard who is outstanding, so don’t try to make me look like an ignorant person. I was just pointing out that similar to the way an African American student with a 2300 is more of an outlier than an Asian American student with a 2300, an Asian student that is the starting running back on the football team or starting point guard of the varsity basketball team would also be more of an outlier and therefore more thoroughly examined by college admissions. However, people rarely stop to consider that scenario. Even though your cousin was an amazing tennis players there are many Asians who are notorious for that sport however name three star Asian wide receivers you’ve seen recently.</p>

<p>Schools may seek out African American students who succeed in science such as myself because it is not as common, but I’m sure Stanford would be head over heels for the next
Ichiro Suzuki or Yao Ming (this concept also applies to rising stars in fields such as psychology, architecture, industrial labor relations, etc. where Asian Americans are also underrepresented). Like many other AA sob stories we hear from other Asian Americans (and I’m not saying some of the admissions decisions aren’t completely unjust) your cousin and you are both heavily science and mathematics based which is, for lack of a better word, expected.</p>

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<p>I think there’s like one Asian-American in the NBA. Jeremy Lin, went to Harvard, plays for Golden State.</p>

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<p>" Also, where you earlier said to replace black/Hispanic with Asian, it’s not even close to the same. Blacks and Hispanics face much more discrimination. "</p>

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<p>Anyone who claims this is incredibly ignorant.
I can argue that Asians tend to be more passive with discrimination and bias towards them, and so, not hitting the headlines as often as others.</p>

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<p>LOOK! The bottom line is if there is an overall perception that high achieving Asian Americans or Asians are discriminated against in the top U.S. universities, and if this happens to be a reality, then this is not good for the U.S. in the long run. This issue should be investigated by the Justice Department for the future good of the U.S.</p>

<p>It is common sense that no one complains that there are too many African Americans in college and professional sports or certain olympic sports. If the team is filled with African Americans, and your college team or your U.S. teams win championships and gold medals, who cares? YOU ARE A WINNER!</p>

<p>It is also common sense that if the high achieving Asian Americans or Asians fill up top U.S. universities, and later help the U.S. compete against formidable business competitors from Asian countries, who cares? If the U.S. corporations are filled with these brilliant Asian Americans or Asians who graduate from top U.S. universities, and the U.S. corporations thrive against formidable competitors, YOU AMERICANS ARE WINNERS! </p>

<p>[Boy, we’d love to have you guys, specially with the Asian countries’ continued economic rise and boom!]</p>

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<p>LOOK! The bottom line is if there is an overall perception that high achieving Asian Americans or Asians are discriminated against in the top U.S. universities, and if this happens to be a reality, then this is not good for the U.S. in the long run. This issue should be investigated by the Justice Department for the future good of the U.S.</p>

<p>It is common sense that no one complains that there are too many African Americans in college and professional sports or certain olympic sports. If the team is filled with African Americans, and your college team or your U.S. teams win championships and gold medals, who cares? YOU ARE A WINNER!</p>

<p>It is also common sense that if the high achieving Asian Americans or Asians fill up top U.S. universities, and later help the U.S. compete against formidable business competitors from Asian countries, who cares? If the U.S. corporations are filled with these brilliant Asian Americans or Asians who graduate from top U.S. universities, and the U.S. corporations thrive against formidable competitors, YOU AMERICANS ARE WINNERS! </p>

<p>[Boy, we’d love to have you guys, specially with the Asian countries’ continued economic rise and boom!]</p>

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<p>^ This idiot posted the SAME thing.</p>

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<p>The major problem with AA (or social diversity…) is when people see a black doctor or women engineer they will always have a doubt whether that person is really qualified or not, even though in many cases they may be. Slavery didn’t end until the privileged realized it and similarly AA (or social diversity…) won’t end until the privileged (URMs) shun away from it. That is Life!</p>

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<p>Sorry, StandfordCS, I didn’t mean to set you off! </p>

<p>Maybe you should major on something more saleable. This way you become less crabby and nasty (he he he!), and you have something to look forward to. But then again, I heard unemployment lines are rough out there.</p>

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<p>StanfordCS is supposed to be a junior in high school ?!?</p>

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<p>Euro456: That’s funny, he he he!!! I see your implications and I agree with you, and I am as white as a “kami!”</p>

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<p>Everyone needs to **** and go read “The Chosen” by Karabel. Most of these posts are misguided and reading his book would enlighten all of you on AA.</p>

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<p>Oh really ME Unemployed, with a 2400 SAT a 5.95 Weighted a 3.98UW and African American really? Get ****ing real.</p>

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<p>He, he, he! Sure, sure, sure, and I have a 6.5 UNweighted with 2600 SATs, and I’m the Green Giant. </p>

<p>Euro has it correct, and you know it! He, he, he, he!</p>

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<p>^ We’ll see when I apply in August.</p>