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We were, until you came to the thread and shifted the discussion to class disparities. </p>
<p>Anyways yeah nothing new there. You forgot to mention athletes for sports like golf, fencing, equestrian, etc.</p>
<p>The reason they do it is for diversity, if everyone at Stanford was Asian, Stanford would be boring as ****.</p>
<p>True that.</p>
<p>It’s even worse for applicants living in the Bay Area. Stanford and Bay area applicants are like Rice with Houston applicants. </p>
<p>I can see how affirmative action can be viewed as unfair, but there’s a reason for it. Generally URM applicants were raised by parents and taught by teachers who were unsupportive of them. Once you read stories of how some URM applicants had to work jobs year-round to help pay for their own college applications and self-studied nearly everything, you realize that such a student getting a 3.7 UW GPA and a 2000 SAT is much more impressive than a student who has millionaire parents and goes to a private school getting 4.0 UW GPA and 2300 SAT. The richer your parents are and the more opportunites you have, the more colleges expect from you.</p>
<p>Then there are those who complain and say “I’m just mad that I didn’t get in because I know that a URM who worked half as hard as me, had way lower SATs, and didn’t have as many ECs as I did got in.” I can’t help but facepalm at those people.</p>
<p>Btw, I’m not a URM and I’m not trying to pull the victim card here. I’m an asian in the Bay area with upper middle class parents. (which sorta sucks)</p>
<p>As much as I agree with the above post, and I believe that colleges should be able to conduct affirmative action by race and income as they please. The above only applies to income not “Under Represented Minorities”, and rich black persons son has the same opportunities as a rich white persons son, except everyone assumes the rich millionaire is the white person.</p>
<p>It seems Stanford is systemmatically increasing the number of hispanic enrollment and reducing the number of asian enrollment. Look at the statistical trends in their CDS reports as shown below.</p>
<p>First-Year students –
[Stanford</a> University: Common Data Set 2010-2011](<a href=“http://ucomm.stanford.edu/cds/2010.html]Stanford”>http://ucomm.stanford.edu/cds/2010.html)
Black 128; Hispanic 306; Asian 273</p>
<p>[Stanford</a> University: Common Data Set 2009-2010](<a href=“http://ucomm.stanford.edu/cds/cds_2009.html]Stanford”>http://ucomm.stanford.edu/cds/cds_2009.html)
Black 180; Hispanic 247; Asian 397</p>
<p>[Stanford</a> University: Common Data Set 2008-2009](<a href=“http://ucomm.stanford.edu/cds/cds_2008.html]Stanford”>http://ucomm.stanford.edu/cds/cds_2008.html)
Black 178; Hispanic 248; Asian 350</p>
<p>[Common</a> Data Set 2007-08 | Stanford University](<a href=“http://ucomm.stanford.edu/cds/cds_2007.html]Common”>http://ucomm.stanford.edu/cds/cds_2007.html)
Black 143; Hispanic 219; Asian 429</p>
<p>[Stanford</a> University: Common Data Set 2006-2007](<a href=“http://ucomm.stanford.edu/cds/cds_2006.html]Stanford”>http://ucomm.stanford.edu/cds/cds_2006.html)
Black 166; Hispanic 186; Asian 391</p>
<p>^that is just scary.</p>
<p>They should post acceptance rates for different ethnic groups on collegeboard. I’m sure the acceptance rate for asians will be half or less of the normal rates since a lot of asians apply.</p>
<p>lol…looking at u trying to quote statistical trends and using words like “systematically” to give a subtle connotation of discrimination and injustice…i applaud your efforts but they are in vain here’s the ethnic breakdown of Stanford University
African-American: 10%
Asian American: 23%
Hispanic: 12%
International: 7%
Native American: 3%
Unknown: 7%
Caucasian/White: 38%</p>
<p>blacks and hispanics combined still dont equal the asian population…its not a system its a trend u posted without giving any sort of other information that might change people’s opinions…and if anyone looked at ur dumb numbers they’d notice that the asian population has been fluctuating up and down each year 391-429 and 350-397 (so this year is a low and next year might be a high) and the black enrollment declined as well, when the Hispanic enrollment increased this year…so ur asian-american reverse discrimination argument is severely flawed…TAKE A STATS CLASS caldad</p>
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<p>JUST from early decision, 3 people have already been admitted to Rice from my Houston-area public high school; only 2 people (me, Stanford, and someone else, MIT) were accepted into out-of-state top schools. We generally have about the same number of people go to Rice as all other top schools combined.</p>
<p>Also, about 40% of Stanford undergrads are from California (don’t know about the Bay area).</p>
<p>I think the effect of living near campus is exaggerated.</p>
<p>I’m happy Stanford does AA. As an African American, I don’t say this due to the fact it may slightly increases my chances in admissions.</p>
<p>At my current school, I am the only African American guy in all of my classes (six AP classes) with the exception of one, which in AP English. It’s not that I feel intimidated, but I do notice it. My stats right now are up to par to attend something like Cal Tech (3.9 gpa, 2250 sat, top 2% of my class of ~1000 students), but honestly, Cal Tech’s percentage of undergraduate blacks is less than one percent. This is a HUGE turn off for me. I can’t imagine going to a school where I’m one of, what, ten undergrad black students? When I compare what Stanford offers me to that of Cal Tech in terms of diversity, I see myself being much more comfortable with Stanford’s atmosphere. </p>
<p>In fact, the diversity at Stanford is what has attracted me to the school: challenging, exceptional academics combined with a multicultural, engaged student body.</p>
<p>I’m in the same boat as PantherPride, and I couldn’t agree more!</p>
<p>Your stats are NOT up to par to attend Cal Tech dude.</p>
<p>No offense to you, but I don’t think Cal Tech’s like what . . 200 new spots for undergrads each year leave no room for people with stats like yours.</p>
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<p>I just have to point out one thing.</p>
<p>“lacks and hispanics combined still dont equal the asian population”
Are you controlling for some variables? such as standardized test scores and economic background? If not, then the point is quite moot; its tantamount to saying Caucasians are smarter because they earn more money. </p>
<p>I can understand if a school wants to increase diversity through racial AA, but just please don’t pull the “social justice” card, or how reverse discrimination is suppose to make it up for historical mistreatments of people of color.</p>
<p>Cal Tech offered admission to around 600 students last year, not 200. Also, I think you are over estimating what it takes to get into it. If my stats aren’t at least competitive, then I don’t know what is. You can’t seriously believe every person admitted has a 4.0 gpa and 2400 sat</p>
<p>Caltech did have the highest average SAT score in the US at some point. I don’t know whether it still does, though.</p>
<p>@Pantherpride
you are both right, 600 people get admitted, but only ~220 get enrolled.</p>
<p>You’ll need more than SATs and GPA to get into Caltech these days. There is a huge difference in ability between someone who got 800 on their math SAT II and someone who got USAMO. Though i did know a few people who got in without too much science and math stuff (low income though) a few years back.</p>
<p>LOL
this thread is hilarious.
- Stanford doesnt dislike Bay Area applicants. They LOVE bay area applicants. There is just a disproportionally low admission rate because SO MANY bay area applicants apply, mostly because of location. It’s like Princeton and NJ applicants. There is a seemingly lower admit rate for NJ applicants because so many apply, but there are still a lot of enrolled students from NJ.
- PantherPride: you have an really high opinion of yourself…lol. but yes, you would be considered “competitive” if stats are the only thing being considered.
- There is a low percentage of blacks at CalTech because they don’t practice real affirmative action. Personally, I think you are just afraid to leave your comfort zone.</p>
<p>@ NJDS, The point of my post wasn’t to say that I could or could not get into Cal Tech, and I didn’t mean to come off as egotistic. The point was to show what AA has more to offer other than the usual “latinos and blacks get in easier.” I already know that Cal Tech doesn’t have many blacks because it doesn’t practice AA, hence why I compared it to Stanford, which does practice AA.</p>
<p>You can call it fear for not wanting to be one of ten students of your color attending a university. I call it being reasonable when there are more diverse and equally challenging and prestigious universities available.</p>
<p>@PantherPride: Though slightly off-topic, here’s something that you may want to read for a second… While I’m not in college just yet, my high school has just over 1800 students and LITERALLY there are less than 50 Caucasian students (yes I’m in California, etc etc, it’s just a heavily diverse area) - actually, probably less than 25 (I’m hesitant to say less than 10, even though I rarely even see 5 white people in the halls or classes). And I am Caucasian. It’s really not that bad. Of course it’s nice to have diversity, but, to be honest, my school has over 10 different ethnicities (that I know of - this is a reasonable guess however).</p>
<p>@Sleeet Which would you prefer, though? Going to a school in the same conditions, or going to school that has a respectable representation of all ethnicities?</p>
<p>Like I said before, I don’t feel intimidated or anything. I just see myself fitting into a student body that has a good representation of all races better than I would in a student body heavily dominated by particular ones.</p>