The non-ivy ivies

Pre-College Issues High School Life
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Today is the ivy day. Good luck to everybody!

While we are anxiously waiting for the result, let’s take it easy and discuss something fun. I have composed a list of the non-ivy but ivy-equivalent schools. Tell me how you feel about the list.

IVY IVY-Equivalent

Harvard --------- Stanford
Yale --------- UChicago
Princeton ---------- MIT
Columbia ---------- Duke
UPenn ---------- Northwestern
Dartmouth --------- CalTech (or Williams, I am not sure)
Brown ---------- Johns Hopkins
Cornell ---------- Rice

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Top 20 Schools

Tier1

Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Princeton, MIT, Columbia

Tier 2

Amherst, Williams, UPenn, UChicago,Brown, Dartmouth, Johns Hopkins, Caltech, Rice, Duke, Vandy, Northwestern, Cornell, CMU

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You can’t pair up such different schools with each other. MIT & Columbia, UChicago & Princeton, Stanford & Yale, Rice and Cornell are so different from each other.

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Why can’t each excellent college stand on its own merits?

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@happy1 it is just for fun. No offend to any great school. Wait on the decision day.

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@CupCakeMuffins The format is not my desired output (but I have no way to reedit it after posting). Essentially, the pair is above and below the bar. Do not compare the schools between the bars. It is somewhat misleading.

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@Junerain: Because you started a thread indicating that your daughter is choosing between Dartmouth College & Northwestern University, I will comment on your pairing Northwestern with Dartmouth as its Ivy equivalent. I disagree.

Northwestern is a bit more complex than that. NU is a bit Penn, some Cornell & some Harvard. You can find Dartmouth LAC like qualities in several schools at NU due to the very small class sizes. Perhaps Northwestern is more similar to Duke than to any Ivy League school.

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Dartmouth is nothing like Northwestern IMHO. Nothing at all. Bizarre comparison.

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@Penn95: If ranking your list of 15 schools on the basis of prestige:

Tier One: Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, Stanford, Penn-Wharton, Caltech & Johns Hopkins University.

Tier Two: Duke, Columbia, Cornell, Northwestern, Chicago & Penn.

Tier Three: Dartmouth College & Brown University.

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MODERATOR’S NOTE:

That was not the OP’s purpose of this thread. No need to hijack this thread with a prestige discussion that’s been done to death elsewhere. Post deleted along with several responses.

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What are you guys thoughts on WashU? Are they as good as people make them seem online? I’ve seen them placed at tier three or four consistently.

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In terms of similarities (not necessarily selectivity or prestige):

Brown - Amherst
Dartmouth - Washington and Lee or Depauw
Columbia - Chicago
Cornell or Penn - a state flagship
Harvard or Yale or Princeton - liberal arts division of a state flagship

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Harvard - W&M
Yale - Vassar
Princeton - Williams
Columbia - Chicago
Dartmouth - Colgate
Brown - Wesleyan
Penn - Hopkins
Cornell - Michigan

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Harvard - Amherst
Yale - Williams
Princeton - Stanford
Columbia - UChicago
Brown - Vanderbilt
Dartmouth - Rice
Penn - Duke
Cornell - Northwestern

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I’m not sure what the point of this is.

But equating Princeton to MIT and Dartmouth to Caltech is just bizarre to me.

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Tier 1 Ivies + Stanford, MIT

Tier 2 Ivies + UChicago, CalTech, Duke, Rice, Johns Hopkins, Amherst, Williams, Pomona, Vanderbilt, CMU, Northwestern

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I think that which school belongs in which tier depends upon the major.

I think of Harvard and Stanford as similar in overall academic level and similar for many subjects, but not for computer science or engineering.

I consider MIT and Caltech to be more similar to each other than either is to any other university.

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Equating Stanford and Princeton is odd since one is a grade inflator and the other a deflator. Plus Princeton does not have that many post-graduate professional schools (no law or med school).

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Princeton - Standford
Harvard - Hopkins
Yale - Williams, Amherst ,Vassar, Swarthmore
Columbia - MIT
Dartmouth - Duke
Brown - Vanderbilt
Penn - UChicago
Cornell - Northwestern