<p>**The original eight Public Ivies list by Moll (1985): **</p>
<li>College of William and Mary </li>
<li>Miami University at Oxford </li>
<li>University of California system</li>
<li>University of Michigan </li>
<li>University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill </li>
<li>University of Texas at Austin </li>
<li>University of Vermont </li>
<li>University of Virginia</li>
</ol>
<p>A later book titled The Public Ivies: America's Flagship Public Universities (2001) by Howard and Matthew Greene of Greenes' Guides expanded upon the list in the first book to include 30 colleges and universities. That book listed the following as Public Ivies:</p>
<p>Binghamton University
College of William and Mary
Indiana University Bloomington
Miami University
Michigan State University
The Ohio State University (Columbus)
Pennsylvania State University (University Park)
Rutgers University
University of Arizona
University of California, Berkeley
University of California, Davis
University of California, Irvine
University of California, Los Angeles
University of California, San Diego
University of California, Santa Barbara
University of Colorado at Boulder
University of Connecticut
University of Delaware
University of Florida
University of Georgia
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
University of Iowa
University of Maryland College Park
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
University of Minnesota, Twin Cities
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
University of Texas at Austin
University of Virginia
University of Washington
University of Wisconsin-Madison </p>
<p>*
The Public Ivies are ranked very highly when compared to other universities worldwide. In the Academic Ranking of World Universities, 8 of the top 25 schools in the world are American public universities.</p>
<p>However, in general undergraduate rankings, U.S. News and World Report consistently ranks Ivy League institutions just above the Public Ivies. For example, the highest ranked Public Ivy, the University of California at Berkeley, ranked 21st in the United States, while the lowest ranked Ivy League institution, Brown University, ranked 14th; but this may be attributable to the inclusion of endowment size in the ranking process which puts public universities (who are less reliant on private funding and thus tend to have smaller endowments) at a disadvantage.*</p>
<p>QUESTION now is: If you have to make up a Public Ivy of your own, what would it be?</p>
<p>Mine would probably be:</p>
<ol>
<li>College of William and Mary </li>
<li>University of California, Berkeley </li>
<li>University of California, Los Angeles </li>
<li>University of Michigan, Ann Arbor </li>
<li>University of Virginia </li>
<li>University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill </li>
<li>University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign </li>
<li>University of Texas at Austin </li>
</ol>
<p>What about yours?</p>
<p>^^ Mine would look something like yours (though not sure I'd put W&M first, if that was a ranking).</p>
<p>I would take that list and replace UT-Austin with UWisconsin-Madison.</p>
<p>Yeah, that makes sense. I would give the edge to UW too.</p>
<p>Kyle, the list was not in order.</p>
<p>so, wisconsin is better than UT? I'm just amazed how strong UT's engineering ang business programs. what is Wisconsin's strength?</p>
<p>It's slightly "better" at the graduate level, at least. NRC rankings put public universities as</p>
<p>1 UC Berkeley<br>
2 UC San Diego<br>
3 Michigan<br>
4 UCLA<br>
5 Wisconsin<br>
6 Texas<br>
7 Washington<br>
8 Illinois<br>
9 Minnesota<br>
10 North Carolina<br>
11 UC Irvine<br>
12 Virginia<br>
...etc.</p>
<p>NRC</a> Rankings</p>
<p>UC Irvine better than UVirginia....are you kidding me??</p>
<p>Well, you have to consider several things.</p>
<ol>
<li><p>The NRC rankings, while still fairly accurate, are roughly 13-14 years old. New rankings are currently being produced, so it's obvious they needed updating.</p></li>
<li><p>This is at the graduate level. Much of UVA's prestige comes from its undergrad education. William & Mary and UNC are like this too.</p></li>
<li><p>The ranking only considers non-zero-ranked programs. UCI was ranked in fewer areas than UVA (23 and 32, respectively) and did well in the areas it was ranked in.</p></li>
</ol>
<p>What do you guys think are top 8 public universities for undergrad?</p>
<p>Picking a top 8 from the list in Post #2:</p>
<p>University of California, Berkeley<br>
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
University of California, Los Angeles<br>
University of Virginia
University of Wisconsin-Madison
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign<br>
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
University of Texas at Austin</p>
<p>I agree with UCBChemEGrad, but I would put William and Mary somewhere near the middle.</p>
<p>Seconded.............</p>
<p>I would knock the schools that are more than 90% instate as too provincial for an OOS student. I'd have (not in order)</p>
<p>Michigan
Virginia
William and Mary
North Carolina
Wisconsin
Washington
McGill
Toronto</p>
<p>My list (in no particular order)</p>
<ol>
<li>UNC-CH</li>
<li>William and Mary</li>
<li>UVA</li>
<li>UC-Berkeley</li>
<li>UCLA</li>
<li>Michigan</li>
<li>Texas- Austin</li>
<li>Illinois</li>
</ol>
<p>W&M
UVirginia
Cal
Michigan
UCLA
UNorth Carolina
Miami(OH)
Wisconsin
Washington</p>
<p>McGill Univ. undergraduate classes are huge, with many having well over 500 students per class. A few years ago the Princeton Review listed McGill's average undergrad class size as "550+"-- its largest category. I recently spoke with two freshmen at McGill and they confirmed these numbers. Isn't the Univ. of Toronto even larger than McGill?</p>
<p>And why are Canadian Universities included now?</p>
<p>Some order, not really.</p>
<p>Berkeley
UVA
UCLA
Michigan
UNC
W&M
UCSD
UIUC</p>