Finally, I was waiting for someone to make that point. Girls like boys just the same way that boys like girls. And, they all like booze apparently.
“But I very much doubt if the majority of current sorority members would be in favor of that solution. I think if colleges and universities nationwide said, “Sororities and fraternities both have parties with alcohol, or neither have parties with alcohol” sororities at most schools would choose “both.””
But the sororities CAN’T “choose both” as they are “ruled” (for lack of a better term) by their national. You keep acting as though the local chapter can just decide to disregard their national. It matters not whether every single girl in a house wants vodka martinis for breakfast and gin and tonics with dinner. Their nationals are not going to sit by and allow them to put that on the official meal plan.
It’s as ludicrous as saying that the nationals would allow them to choose to openly smoke pot or have shoplifting parties. The nationals are not going to sanction illegal behavior. I don’t know why this is unclear.
PG: I wish you would read that thesis if you have time, and if you haven’t already. There are surveys of sorority women that I found fascinating and I’d be extremely interested in your reaction.
@ahl I think you are right that the girls want access to the boys, but the boys would not be gone, just the fraternities.
Have no fear, even if the boys are not in a fraternity, they will still find the girls.
Certainly, but do they get access to the boys without the alcohol?
“I conclude that sorority women like to go to fraternity parties. They want to drink alcohol at parties with fraternity men-- they just don’t want to have those parties. For that reason, I’m assuming that sororities would not be happy if their universities shut down fraternity parties.”
So they wouldn’t be happy. So what? Who cares? If the college doesn’t care that the fraternity isn’t happy because now it can’t serve alcohol to underage students, what makes you think that they’d care whether the sorority girls are additionally bummed?
@cardinal fang lol. Yes, I am that sure none of the sober boys will be willing to put out. Haha
"would be beyond furious if my sorority national decided to say “it’s ok for our houses to serve alcohol to our underage guests.”
why? the sorority girls take the underage members to the frat to get them alcohol."
I am really tired of explaining the difference between an organization’s official policies, and the actions of some of its members. The fact that some girls go get drunk doesn’t mean that an organization’s official policy needs to sanction such behavior.
“Certainly, but do they get access to the boys without the alcohol?”
Of course. There are all kinds of non-alcoholic events that go on. Preparing a float for homecoming. A dance marathon. A joint charity project. Weekday mixers / exchanges. Intramurals. Just hanging out. I don’t know where some of you get the sense that the only interaction is this drunken melee on Saturday nights. It’s odd.
Having all the cool, high status boys living in a group makes it easier on girls to locate and choose the ones they want.They have already done an initial screening for the girls.
I don’t understand your question, CF. I think girls are welcome at fraternity houses even when they aren’t having parties and serving alcohol. If they have dry parties, girls will show up. imho. I think if girls have dry parties, the boys will show up. That is what happened in the olden days. We didn’t need alcohol to attract a fraternity to our house.
Alh - I skimmed it; did not read in depth.
Not at all. What I think is that nationals can change the rules if they decide to. If no young women wanted to join sororities with the rules as they are, or sororities as they are were kicked off campuses, then the nationals would have to change the rules.
With all due respect, CF, I simply cannot imagine any national sorority agreeing to openly allow laws to be flouted / broken just to stay on campus. I am quite familiar with my national, as it’s located literally 2 blocks away from the chapter I lived in. There is simply no way. No one campus is that important.
I was assuming that the college would prefer to have both fraternities and sororities serving alcohol to have neither serving alcohol-- because if the college wanted to just stop the fraternities from serving alcohol they would already have done it. Colleges that have fraternities that serve alcohol have shown that they want social groups to serve alcohol, otherwise they would have enforced the law already.
This idea that men and women view sex the same way or equally like sex is ridiculous.
If it was true, I would be having sex right now.
Instead I am writing a post on a parent forum. 
What if it was a lot of campuses?
And tell me again why a college administration, who already has their hands full with fraternity drinking, would want to tell other private organizations they MUST break the law, too, to stay on campus?
@cardinalfang Was making a joke. will boys still pay attention to the girls if they are not drunk? Hmmmm? I am gonna go with yes on that.
'Cause they think sororities would be better at having parties with alcohol. Which they would be.
I am going to try and think how to explain this without offending PG or Bay. We are already talking a bit about what sororities allow publicly compared to what happens behind the scenes. A whole lot of this is about appearances, and the pun may be appropriate.