The School I'm learning towards only has around 10% get over a 3.5

<p>Although Toronto is comparatively easier to get into than lets say...Cornell... I heard only 10% gets a 3.5+ especially in life science( the degree program I'm in), and the grades are either a 3.7 or a 4.0 at highest, and the kids on the forums told me 1% get that, if even that.</p>

<p>Or I can go to Case Western...where people say it's easier to get a 4.0.
However, I know someone who 2 years ago got into Keck Medical School ( USC ) from Toronto.</p>

<p>I like everything about Toronto much better. The change in environment, the diversity, the social life,and the distance.</p>

<p>I'm from Pennsylvania.
And, what would you guys do?
This decision is basically killing me, because the only reason I would go to case is because it's comparatively easier to get the 4.0</p>

<p>bummmmmpppppppp</p>

<p>For the love of sanity, do not choose a school based on where you think it will be easier to get a 4.0. There is soooooo much more to college than keeping a 4.0. Go look at the GPAs of the Rhodes Scholars this year and tell me if a 4.0 is the end-all. Note that a few didn’t even graduate summa cum. </p>

<p>You will waste away other important opportunities if you pour your life into your GPA.</p>

<p>But I want to get into medical school.
And you cant do that without a 3.7 +</p>

<p>Who is telling you case is an easy 4.0. Case is notorious for the amount of work students have to go through. I’m fairly certain obtaining a high GPA at u of toronto would be no harder (probably easier) then getting one at Case. You really seem to prefer U of Toronto. I would go there.</p>

<p>But at Case it’s more common, and it’s realistic.
Whereas at Toronto about 1% can get it because of the ridiculous bell curve.</p>

<p>While I know it seems like a certainty that you’ll go into medicine, a very large percentage of students who start off on a pre-med track switch to another preferred profession before they even declare a major. Apply to the best schools that you can get into and might be able to afford with need and merit-based aid. Then go to the one with the best fit. That is by far the most proven track to success.</p>

<p>These are schools I’ve already gotten into, schools I need to decide about within the next 3 weeks.</p>

<p>bump… more opinions would help</p>

<p>If Toronto and Case are your two choices, please choose Toronto unless you have visited both schools and prefer Case for some unimaginable reason. </p>

<p>I know that Urban Dictionary is not a reliable source, but do search there and read about Case. Case has a depressing campus in depressing Cleveland. From what I hear (CC, one friend, and of course Urban Dictionary lol), Case = Cruel workload.</p>

<p>Toronto would offer you a much better college experience.</p>

<p>Think of it this way, if you can’t handle Toronto, med school would probably destroy you.</p>

<p>Go to Toronto! You shouldn’t choose a school based on where you think it’ll be easier to get good grades. I mean, what if you go to Case and end up w/ a 3.5?? If you’re happier where you are, you’ll likely do better in school. And if you’re depressed/regretting your decision, your academics will probably suffer.</p>

<p>College is not just a stepping stone to graduate school. It’s four years of your life. Possibly the best four years of your life. So don’t go to one school where you won’t be as happy in order to have a better chance at getting into MED school.</p>

<p>canadian schools all have some pretty serious grade deflation. from what i researched so far, most grad. school admins are aware of that, and add about 0.5 GPA to your cumulative, when compared to american applicants.
however, that’s just what they SAY. when you actually compare, for example, a 3.2 from UofT and a 3.5 from UCLA, I really don’t know which one they would pick.</p>

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<p>More than half of the people getting into med school have a gpa lower than that. I guarantee you this. Seeing as the average gpa for people admitted to med school is a 3.65.</p>

<p>The Canadian grading system is different from the one used at most US colleges. If you apply to medical school here from Toronto, they would probably do some sort of formulaic adjustments to the Canadian gpa.</p>

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<p>QFT.</p>

<p>Also, you could ask medical school admissions people how they perceive the University of Toronto and to what extent they will adjust for Canadian-style grade inflation.</p>

<p>@glam407: Actually, GPA’s at Canadian universities aren’t lower because of a bell curve. In fact, the grading scale is lower than the typical grading scale at US universities. You only need 85% for a solid A and 80% for an A-minus, for example. The catch is that the material is so rigorous that it’s very challenging to even get a mark of 80%.</p>

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<p>Now that is scary.
I’m getting a tattoo over my appendix that says, “Doctor: STOP! Do not remove if your college GPA was under 4.0!”</p>

<p>To tk21769, Undergrad GPA means absolutely nothing about your doctor’s ability, althought such a tattoo might result in a rather interesting set of stitches from your physician. If he/she got into med school and survived it, matched into a residency, is licensed, and not currently in jail for malpractice, I fail to see any reason to have a second thought about your physician’s undergraduate GPA. To have been accepted to medical school, made it through, and gone through the subsequent residency and any additional training, I just don’t see any way you can be concerned about their intelligence or dedication. Brilliant people can be clumsy too though, so I’ll take the guy with steady hands over the 4.0 GPA any day, haha.</p>

<p>That said glam, my advice/opinion here comes in a multitude of forms, mostly personal, partly professional. For a quick snippet of background- 1. I was an engineering student who switched to pre-med and biology after having dropped to what was considered a “good” engineering GPA in my program, but was far from what was “good” for a pre-med biology student. 2. I am currently a counselor specifically working with the arts and sciences and pre-medical advising on a day to day basis, and 3. Although I am a bit of an unusual med school admissions success story, but I did get accepted in spite of my lower than average undergraduate GPA, but it was not easy.</p>

<p>Do not decide where to go to school based on how “easy” you think it will be to get a 4.0 GPA. A strong GPA will not get you in to med school on its own. A great MCAT will not get you into med school on its own. Med schools have a lot of applicants to pick from and are looking for the whole package (largely, because they can, and because they want to produce excellent physicians with the small number of students they can accept). If your GPA is slightly lower because you went to a more challenging undergraduate school or took a more rigorous course of study, medical schools can recognize that and it will be considered. If you went to a less challenging school/course of study where a much greater percentage of students have 4.0 GPAs, they will recognize that too, and it will be considered. Your undergraduate GPA is very important for medical school admissions, but it is just one of several critical factors med schools will consider. A 4.0 student with a 39-40 MCAT looks great on paper, but if they have no people skills or involvement in their undergraduate college, there are a great many reputable medical schools that want will not accept them, since it takes more than just good grades and test scores to become a good physician in the long run, and more and more medical schools are saying exactly that when top students call them to ask why they were denied admission. Simply put, there’s very little you can get by a medical school admissions committee- they evaluate thousands of applicants each year for 80-200 spots depending on the size of the medical school, and odds are good they’ve seen it all. Go somewhere you want to go for undergrad, work hard, get involved, and show them who you are as a student and a pre-med, rather than what you think they want to see, and most of the time you’ll be far better off. (Been there, done that. If you have any questions, feel free to message me.)</p>

<p>Thanks everyone.
What about the rumor about how American medical schools prefer those who graduated with American degrees over Int. Degrees. Is that true?</p>

<p>And would the grade conversion worsen my cgpa
since Canadian schools 4.0’s are 85’s and up.
would the 85 transfer into American eyes as a 3.3?</p>