The scoop on Hanover

<p>For Doddsdad and C-Mudge and any other interested parents.</p>

<p>I spent lunch with the girl I know who's a jr. Let me start by saying that she loves Hanover. She came out of our extremely large (3500+) HS having taken many honors/AP classes (had a 3.69 GPA). Hanover is ~1100 students so it was a big switch. But she has enjoyed it immensely.</p>

<p>She strongly feels that Hanover is academically rigorous. Her GPA there is measureably lower than her HS GPA. She has found the classes to be challenging and finds the classroom discussions very stimulating. Professors (as at many schools, particularly small LAC's) are extremely accessible and helpful. She definitely feels that there is an active learning environment throughout the school. </p>

<p>She says that she thinks that students who come there are surprised by how difficult classes can be. Hanover is not the pushover school that some kids think it is. She was telling me about the new curriculum change (called Academic Vision, I think?) that has beefed up requirements for interdisciplinary courses and broader knowledge base. She said she feels that the university is trying very hard to up the ante academically through the new curriculum reqs and through faculty hiring and through course offerings.</p>

<p>She told me that this has actually caused quite a problem with this year's freshmen class. She said that 90 (out of a class of 400) are not returning next year. Some because they couldn't cut it and some because they don't want to try - again, turns out the school is not the "easy" school some students anticipated. Now I cannot confirm any of her numbers so please take that comment with a grain of salt.</p>

<p>She tells me she has lots of intellectual conversations and professors do challenge the students and the students are motivated to do well and challenge themselves.</p>

<p>She really praised the quality of the English Dept. (which she said has all of 7 rising seniors) and the professors are top-notch, in her view.</p>

<p>What doesn't she like? Well, the food wasn't too great. But she said that students circulated a petition and talked to administration to get that improved and they responded and now the food is much better. She feels that the administration sometimes clamps down too hard on drinking - particularly in the greek houses. As she pointed out, in dorms there's an RA on every floor serving as the eyes and ears and "enforcer" of anti-drinking rules on campus. But in the frats, there's only a house parent, and the inhabitants can tend to run a little more amok. So whenever there's a problem, the university comes down hard on those groups as if to show its' might. Again, this is her view.</p>

<p>As to the Greek scene, 50 % of girls join sororities and 30% of guys. She told me the issue with guys is that lots of them have grade issues (and min. GPA for a frat is 2.0). Most parties are Greek. Hanover is relatively isolated but that didn't seem to bother her much.</p>

<p>She told me over and over how much she loves it there. This is an outgoing girl - bright but not super polished socially - and she has thrived. She's a double major (english and communications) with no idea what she's going to do after her senior year. She can't believe that she's going to be leaving school in a year - she says she's scared and I think it's because she's been having such a good time at Hanover.</p>

<p>Hope that helps!</p>

<p>sybbie - I am pretty sure that fredo is talking about Hanover College in the midwest, not the town of Hanover. :)</p>

<p>my bad. I'll delete my posting</p>

<p>Don't worry - I've done things like that too!</p>

<p>Hanover sounds like the same Hanover we visited over springbreak. So-I think it's safe to say that Hanover College with it virtues and vices may deserve more of a look than it is getting from some. We too saw a commitment to excellence in place. Thanks Fredo.</p>

<p>Do any of you know a student that likes the food at school? Any school?</p>

<p>I like the food at Dartmouth.</p>

<p>asdad, halfway through our 9 day trip I said "no more". I had eaten the last institutional food I was going to eat. (She'd eat it. I'd have a coke.) I don't even like chain restaurants, much less chain cafeterias, heaven knows -not a school caf!.Yuk! But- I will say that most schools have something edible. Several had made to order omelettes. That'll work. I'd have to carry my own dressing for the salad bars ,though . That dessing in a carton is just hideous.</p>

<p>Some of the schools with modern extravagant student centers-notably DePauw, have a very nice food court, and Lake Forest had decent-good caf food (D loved the made to order pizza. Said it was chain quality. Not bad considering.) The rest of it was edible at best. D will get the most limited plan available at any school that has a food court or close, walking distance, local places. Some of that stuff is just really ,really bad. LOL.</p>

<p>Fredo,
Thank you for the great information about Hanover College. (It's in southern Indiana, not that other place up north.) Her impression of the academic challenge certainly helps to alleviate any concerns I had from our visit. I also think your information serves as a caution to us about only using numbers to evaluate colleges. Going only by the numbers, it will look like almost 25% of the freshman class will not return. (OMG, it must be a terrible school that doesn't care about it's students!) But when you know that increased academic standards are the reason that many of them are not returning, it makes a big difference in understanding the college. Thank you. Do you think she might be willing to answer questions on the Hanover board here on CC?</p>

<p>Probably not - and honestly, I tried not to convey too much info about her because I didn't want to be able to identify her. (I probably shouldn't have even listed her HS GPA). But I could probably get an e-mail address from her mom and she might be willing to answer some questions that way, if that helps.</p>

<p>And curmudgeon I have to laugh about DePauw's food court. My daughter is a student there and she is VERY tired of the same old, same old. One of the pluses if she transfers to IU is food variety!!</p>

<p>fredo, I'm easily impressed but it was clearly far better than most. Sushi at a college food court? Really good breakfast muffins (at least that day)? Is your D thinking of transferring, and other than food choices (lol) what does she dislike about DePauw? I'm sorry if you've told me before, I'm rapidly losing it.</p>

<p>Curmudgeon: I never noticed any sushi at DePauw - are we talking about the DePauw in Greencastle, IN??? Maybe I just missed it.</p>

<p>Anyway, the basic issue for her is academics vs social life. She really likes DePauw's academics: love the small classes, the accessibility to professors, the classes she can take (she's going to major in psych which qualifies for a natural science so all her math/science reqs will be met with psych classes) and explore. She likes the campus, the students are friendly and I think she just loves being at college. But socially it's been a struggle at times. Sorority rush went badly (I won't relive that here just search through some old threads) at a school where Greeks dominate. She recognizes that, socially, she doesn't quite fit there. It's a very homogeneous school and she'd like more diversity. Her friends from IU are begging her to transfer and that "we want you so much" feeling is hard to resist. But she is doing better as the 2nd semester goes on and it may sway her to stay.</p>

<p>I think the key when you don't quite fit in someplace is to recognize it, accept it and then work around it. And I think that's where she's heading to. We'll see. This week she's leaning toward staying...but she's an 18 year old girl so that means very little about the end result!!</p>