<p>At Penn previews they emphasized that most Wharton undergrads do NOT go back for the MBA, basically because you've had most of the same course material already, taught by the same professors from the same syllabus. Some people do for the "ticket punching" value because they think they need it for career advancement but really it's a waste of time in terms of learning new material. One of the reasons why the Wharton undergrad degree is increasingly valuable is that employers are beginning to realize this.</p>
<p>They also emphasized that most wharton undergrads are much cooler and less anal than percy</p>
<p>though they still lack the ingenuity/imagination to come up with original thought</p>
<p>He who laughs last laughs best - there's a great minimum wage job working at the Penn bookstore for all liberal arts grads.</p>
<p>wow percy skivins...given that Wharton is the only undergrad business school in the ivy league, by your logic everyone else attending these top schools and majoring in the liberal arts ends up with minimum wage jobs. Why don't you go to the Penn Career Services website and look at the salary and employment data for CAS graduates before making such dumb statements.
The second idiotic statement you made has to do with a lower acceptance rate at Wharton as opposed to the rest of Penn making them somehow superior. Wharton's acceptance rate this year was 9%, it was 12.5% the year before, and roughly 16% the year before that. Thus the CAS at Penn had roughly the same acceptance rate for the class of '11 as the current Wharton juniors. CAS will always have a higher acceptance rate because it is much larger (C-15500, W-500) and not as specialized as Wharton. This has nothing to do with the quality of the students. Also, Penn's acceptance rate was not like Cornell's--I think there is a pretty significant difference between <16% and 20% (that's about the same difference between Harvard and Brown this year 9% vs. 13%, way to draw comparisons Percy). Also, a lower acceptance rate does not indicate superiority or a heriarchy:
Northwestern is lower than UChicago--doesnt make it superior
Columbia is lower than Stanford--again doesnt make one superior and the other inferior
At the graduate level, of all of Penn's schools Penn Med has the lowest acceptance rate--they don't have an established "heirarchy" over the other schools.
and there are several such examples.
Please don't make unfounded and retarded statements that give the wrong impression. Penn as a whole is extremely selective and the quality of the student body is comparable across all four schools. The lower acceptance rate at Wharton undergrad is a result of it's small size and specialized focus (and the smaller no. of competing institutions which helps boost its yeild). The RD acceptance rate for CAS was 11% which is scarily low given its size.</p>
<p>no need for rants. this topic is stupid. But one thing i may say is if you bring down us wharton kids, its only natural to want to bring you guys down(which is not constructive). </p>
<p>Why don't we instead appreciate the positive aspects of both schools and accept that those who go to the different school attend it because they may have different interests or goals. One's not necessarily better, it's better depending on what an individual student wants. I personally think wharton is better for what I want, but I'm sure you CAS students think it's the best for what you guys want, which i think it would be</p>
<p>And besides, we shouldn't argue among ourselves, but instead team up against those penn bashers</p>
<p>we can't all be Chicano</p>
<p>what do you mean chicano</p>
<p>^He thinks that you're a Chicano. Like a Mexican. Now go blow up at him for being from somewhere else in South America.</p>
<p>I'm fully mexican man. have dual nationality, bilingual, culturally mexican, and even my dad works in mexico (tijuana, across the border from san diego). I am not chicano.</p>
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<p>gmurguia is right, regardless of where he's from</p>
<p>The mexican agrees</p>
<p>I'll have a beef and potato burrito with a Large Baja blast, por favor.</p>
<p>snooker - I was only responding to other juvenile comments with my own - obviously College grads make more than min.wage - some make over $20k a year I hear.</p>
<p>It's mathematically impossible for overall admit rate to be 13%, Wh. admit rate to be 9% and everyone else admit rate to be 13%. Wh. is getting 25% of the applications for 13% of the slots. My "guesstimate" is that once you subtract out Wharton (5500 apps) and Wh. joint progs (1500) there are 15000 apps for 3000 spots = 20% admit rate. They are sensitive about this and don't release the breakdowns but only way College admit rate could be 13% is if Eng. and Nursing were way way higher to make up for Wh. </p>
<p>Admit rate is a % so size of school has nothing to do with it - Nursing is tiny but their admit rate is prob. not esp. low. Wh. happens to be in very high demand at the moment as rapidly decreasing admit rate shows. I think this is driven largely by prospects in job market but I guess this could change rapidly next time stock market crashes.</p>
<p>I was trying to point out (without justifying it) that like every other negative phenom, there are factual roots for W "superiority complex" but people seem to have taken it in the wrong way. I agree w/ everyone's conclusion that Penn as a whole is a great place and we should all get along and I'm sorry if I have fomented division instead of unity.</p>
<p>I think you're the only one who's taking this discussion seriously. LOL!</p>
<p>I think the most important thing to remember is at the end of the day wharton is a trade school; to hold any sense of superiority over people who just aren't interested in the same things you are only foreshadows efforts to fill the hollow void of your ibanking life in the years to come.</p>
<p>why do you have to continue with it. By you calling it a "trade school" you say it in a negative way and try to have yourself and the college seem superior. If you want to call it something call it a career oriented school (which in my mind is a more practical school)</p>
<p>gmurguia is right. Carpentry is a trade. Business isn't a trade.</p>
<p>A few points
1) Many of those who apply ED to Wharton and were accepted and cite the low admit rate assuming some superiority over arts and sciences at Penn, assume they would have gotten into Harvard, Yale or Princeton ect, and that is not necessarily the case. They just dont know. There is often no rhyme or reason to who gets in where. Many who get accepted to Wharton regular decision do not get into Harvard, Yale or Princeton ect.
2) Many who were accepted into Arts and Sciences at Penn and chose to go there might have very well been accepted into Wharton early decision or regular decision had they applied. It is not as if they appiled to Wharton and did not get in and were accepted to Arts and Sciences.
3) While most of the graduates of Wharton undergrad choose not to go on and get an MBA since much of the coursework is the same, the reality is that many get further careerwise with an MBA then with just an undergraduate business degree. While Wharton has the best undergraduate business program in the country one cannot dispute the prestige of an MBA from Harvard, Stanford, Wharton ect. While the undergraduate business degree might initially be deemed very impressive, one will be competiting in the business world with those who have work experience and the MBA.
4) The reality is that many will achieve success from getting just the undergraduate business degree, and many will achieve success from getting a liberal arts education at a top school and then working two years and going to business school. Those who choose to go the undergraduate business route at Penn are no superior to those who choose to attend Penn in Arts and sciences. Merely citing acceptance rates is meaningless</p>
<p>Trade school, hollow void - so now we're back to name calling in the other direction. I will stuff my hollow void with $100 bills - Benjamins make really good insulation for hollow voids. So the best major in your view would be one that has no practical value? If you think that a lib. arts degree will fill your hollow void you're mistaken. Wh. curriculum offers plenty of opportunity for navel gazing type courses too if that's what you want.</p>
<p>One of the things that distinguished Penn right from the beginning, even back to Franklin's day, is that it was always centered on practical fields such as medicine as opposed to H and Y which were set up as divinity schools that taught Latin and Greek and philosophy to future ministers. So it's really (parts of) the College that are out of line with Penn's true nature, not the "trade schools". There is a lot of sameness in modern college education so that the historic roots seem to matter less but I don't think it's an accident that Wharton was founded at Penn and not any other Ivy and that it continues to thrive there.</p>