<p>it's good to know that one of my fellow tools enjoys some good ol' BDS</p>
<p>what are you guys doing at home at this hour. shouldnt you guys be out having fun</p>
<p>Gmurguia sums it up pretty well - I think the fact that so many people get all insulted and take this personally shows that it is a sensitive topic. Maybe what we should be talking about is not Wh. Superiority Complex but College Inferiority Complex. For the last 50 years (and still today) College has been filled with a lot of people (not everyone) who applied to HYP and didn't get in - Penn was their 2nd choice or even their 4th choice. What percentage of College students, to this day, could honestly say that if they had gotten into HYP they still would have gone to Penn? Some can (and did) but not many. At one time, this really meant that the quality of College students was clearly inferior to HYP students (note at that same time, until recently, Wharton students were even more inferior because undergrad bus. was not as highly sought after). But in the current environment, when HYP are rejecting 90+% of applicants, being a HYP "reject" can still mean that you are a valedictorian, have 2400 SATs, etc. so the quality of today's College students is very very good and they have nothing to be ashamed about. But the fact that Wh. students can say "I'm at the #1 program in my field" and College students can't in most cases say that with a straight face (also that most people on the street know "Wharton" but if you say "Penn" then 1/2 the time they say "Penn State?") I think leads to the kind of sensitivity that all allegedly "inferior" groups have, and the same kind of PC environment where if you point out something that is factually true (for example the spread between the admit rates in the various schools) you still get criticized for saying the "wrong" thing that polite people aren't supposed to bring up in public.</p>
<p>i think the fact that about half the class comes to Penn ED pretty much deflates that entire argument.</p>
<p>Yeah Percy, that's not true at all. There are a ton of people who chose the college as their first choice.</p>
<p>indeed, not everyone automatically likes harvard / yale / princeton just for the name and prestige! some - gasp - actually like penn better!</p>
<p>the same is true for engineering: personally, i was accepted to the johns hopkins biomedical engineering program (best in the country), as were several of my friends - but we all liked penn better, and we're all at penn bioengineering instead (well, we just were ranked #1 in faculty productivity, but that's beside the point).</p>
<p>thank god you didn't go to B-more tenebrous</p>
<p>i dont konw what i'd do if the JHU cops announced they had found a small asian body over by the crack houses</p>
<p>Yeah i must say, I did ED, but even if I had gotten into HYP I still would have chosen Penn. That's why I did ED because I wasn't interested in any other school than Penn (it really wasn't cause of the higher rate). So I must completely disagree with that part of the argument and I personally feel that for me, as do many others, Penn is the best school and I would quickly turn it down for any other school fo undergrad.</p>
<p>Also, I think you have a valid argument with the inferiority complex, but I must say i think it only exists among a small group of people. Most people don't care and are proud and completely satisfied with their Engineering or CAS or nursing education. It's those that blindly attack wharton and call it a "trade school" out of contempt or jealousy (even if they don't realize it) that have the inferiority complex. We don't have to agree that one school is better or not, just let's refrain from attacking and not feel superior or inferior. It's just plain stupid and like I said earlier, if there isnt a tension b/w the schools now it's only creating it.</p>
<p>pwnage</p>
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<p>Dude the server just ate my post when I tried to edit something. Meng do you still have it cached</p>
<p>don't use my name in public like that!</p>
<p>and no i don't have it, sorry</p>
<p>just tell them again the part where you got into Harvard, Yale, (not Pton), Stanford, yadda, yadda, yadda, but you still chose to go to Penn College.</p>
<p>And then something about how skivins/murguia are tunnel viewing things/drawing on false conclusions/dirty fascists/borderline communists, etc.</p>
<p>Somewhere in the NYTimes a while ago there was a grid where someone did a study of 2-way choices among Ivies and some other top schools. It's been linked before. Penn loses more than 1/2 the 2-way admits to all the other Ivies except Cornell, I think. And yes, even in Penn - Harvard 2-ways I think something like 1 in 5 pick Penn, but that means in 4 out of 5 cases Penn loses that 2 way. So anecdotes are not meaningful - I said the first time that Penn gets SOME of the dual admits but not many and that's the truth. Now you can say "so what" and you may be right but again the fact that people get so vehement show that it's a sore topic.</p>
<p>Ah I forgot, that's why you use 9287, to hide the name. My apologies Mr. Cheng9287</p>
<p>But eh, my huge post got ganked for some reason but I'll summarize it:</p>
<p>Got into buncha places (HYMSBC & Penn rejected Princeton), chose Penn SAS. Many people choose based on fit and not prestige (all these schools are prestigious anyway, you can't go wrong). Went to Princeton a lot last year due to having a gf there. Found that their work and my own work didn't differ so much at all (same with the skill of the student body, only you had more ego at Princeton). I could have technically done her homework if I wanted to using what I had learned at Penn. Plenty of academic pwners get rejected Penn SAS and accepted HYP. Stop tunnelviewing the claims and then justifying your conclusions on false pretenses and getting your panties in a twist every time someone defends it. But even these defenses you dismiss as complexes. Your arguments only show your own insecurities, not the insecurities of a given student body. Oh yeah, you are a dirty fascist and/or communist. </p>
<p>That's all I remember from the post.</p>
<p>We lose more than half to everyone except Cornell, but are pretty close to even with Dartmouth and Columbia. HYP beat us in prestige and prestige is the largest driving factor in choosing a college after cost. Brown has strange people that I wouldn't want at Penn anyway. We don't do that poorly in cross admits all things considered and trump most non Ivies outside of Stanford, MIT, and Caltech (who are better than HYP anyway).</p>
<p>It's only a sensitive topic when you attack people's reasons and make false claims. It would be like me saying your mother was a dirty Chinese whore, and then saying you were insecure because you defended against it constantly even if I were obviously wrong (she's actually a Japanese whore). A lot of people do like prestige. However, saying that people look down on each other for it, or somehow have these huge inherent gaps in skill is the wrong way to look at it.</p>
<p>I agree with your guys way of thinking, except putting me down of course. i completely agree with what you guys are saying and how legendofmax chose penn over all those schools. See, that's what ive been saying all along and my wharton and college arguments are irrelevent.</p>
<p>Also, Percy Skivins I don't think it's right putting penn down. I mean although we will attend the wharton division (i think you attend it?), we will still go to penn and should be proud of penn. And by that I also mean ignoring the evidence that might incriminate penn's greatness. (it's a joke no need to say that losing people to harvard is irrelevent)</p>
<p>PS: I think that stat that percy found is also irrevelent because a lot of people who truly want to go to penn don't apply to harvard because a lot of penn students have different interests and harvard doesn't satisfy them.</p>
<p>pero, donde esta mi camisa negra</p>
<p>importantly, that cross-admit chart gives nothing in the way of associated numbers, meaning it is impossible to actually determine if the percentages are statistically significant. For example, given the likely small sample size, I think it difficult to stand on the validity of the Penn/Columbia or Penn/Datmouth numbers, and certianly the same goes for a number of the instances in which Penn 'wins.'</p>
<p>Furthermore, gmurguia, your continuing in addressing the 'trade school' comment only underscores your own elitism in refusing to acknowlege that you're going to a school to learn a highly specialized set of skills, in fact are being trained for specific careers rather than being given a broad theoretical base. While your own view is certainly not representative of whartonites at large, especially considering you're not even at the school yet, since you and percy seem quite content to commit all the spotlight fallacies that you can find, I'll just say that you are in fact representative and are a perfect case study in the superiority complex.</p>
<p>The cross admit chart data is several years old now.</p>
<p>all right whatever keep thinking that. I told you what I think and you can disagree with it.</p>