Theatre/Drama Colleges Part 7

<p>Alwaysamom and WCT,</p>

<p>Thanks so much for taking a moment to respond to my post. My D has researched these programs to death and honestly sees strengths and weaknesses in each. Tisch would be her first choice handsdown in a perfect world (provided she would get her first studio choice) however there is no way we can afford it and we pretty much knew this going into the process. BU will be a stretch but it has always been at the top of her list as well. I just so badly needed some validation from others that she will not be making a mistake by choosing one of these programs. Every program looks good when you study the websites!! This board has been a lifeline for me as we dove blindly into the BFA audition process. Thanks again for the confirmation that she has some good choices to make</p>

<p>I definitely understand your daughter's "half-problem." On one hand, she got into some great programs, but on the other hand, she has to pick one of them!! BU is definitely one of the top acting programs in the country, and I would venture to say that the program is looked at as better than NYU's by many. BU's program is significantly smaller than NYU's (with 1200 drama undergrads, NYU is the country's largest drama school). BU's faculty is TOP NOTCH. BU has 2 theatre companies in resident at the student's disposal. BU is cheaper. ALL actors at BU get to participate in the senior showcases, whereas at NYU (because of the huge number), you must audition to be in the showcase and only a small percentage get to be seen by agents, etc.</p>

<p>wishes55,
Thanks! I'm lovin' it! These waiting lists should be clearing in the next couple of weeks, so I'm sure it'll all work out.</p>

<p>Caromom,
Wow! Thanks so much! That means a lot. Mucho congrats on your D, too! It's a loooooong road to Broadway, but it could happen. :)</p>

<p>P.S. I tried to reply yesterday, but the server must've crashed.</p>

<p>Well I just joined this great crowd and wanted to let you know that we just got back from a UIL one act play competition where my sons cast advanced and he was all star cast! He was great, as Nick Bottom in A Midsummers night dream. Still hoping that he will get in to SMU~~~~Keep your fingers crossed</p>

<p>Have any of you seen the new play "Doubt" starring Cherry Jones? If not... GO SEE IT. I was blown away. Cherry Jones is unbelievable, and the play's script, written by John Patrick Shanley which questions certainty and totality of faith, contains all the ingredients-- including wonderful characters and a sense of humor that the actors just RUN with. It would be a real shame to see this one close quickly. Anyone headed to NYC, check it out. It was hands down, incredible. P.S. In light of the forum I'm posting on-- Cherry Jones graduated from CMU (B.F.A. conservatory within university), her costars graduated from Julliard (straight conservatory), and Trinity College (B.A. within liberal arts school)- the Julliard grad (who was also excellent) had an understudy who graduated from Dartmouth with a degree in Sociology and French and then went on to NYU Graduate Acting Program. I just thought these people were a great example of the many avenues to achieve the same dream.
Dani</p>

<p>Yay for thesbohemian! When I wrote to the heads of acting at the top MFA programs, Evansville was the BFA they recommended the most. Go girl!</p>

<p>Congratulations on your acceptances, Mike!</p>

<p>I studied at AADA during the summer of '03, and though I don't know as much as I should about the two year program, I don't thnk I'd recommend it. It's such a tiny school (a one building campus), and you'd have little access to a variation of students. The teachers there are amazing, truly, but few of them are currently working professionals. Also, I know that the summer program, despite being supposedly catered toward college age students, was not particularly challenging. I recommend asking to observe a class or two prior to making your ultimate decision. </p>

<p>A good thing about AADA is that students can now receive a BA degree from Hunter while studying at the Academy. A very good thing. :)</p>

<p>Is Catherdingmom still around? If so, I was just wondering where your son got in. It's been awhile.</p>

<p>Kellster,
Thanks and thanks again for that info you sent me. That's nice to know about UE's favor with the MFA heads. :)</p>

<p>Does anybody know if DePaul still has their cut system in place? Just curious.</p>

<p>Aw, Thesbo, thanks for asking. I still pop in occasionally to see if I have any great insights, but I never do! I quit posting several months ago when I became concerned that maybe I was giving out too much info about my son. I didn't want anyone prejudging him because of something his crazy mom said so I decided not to post anything more about his list, auditions or acceptances--at least until he made a decision about where to go. Wouldn't you know it, he made his decision, and then we discovered that the school was no longer feasible financially. It's a disappointment, but he'll be okay. Now it's back to the thinking process.</p>

<p>On a happier note I am very excited for you about Evansville. It's a great program, and you are going to be a wonderful addition. I just know it!</p>

<p>Catherdingmom,
Thanks! Aw, maaaaan!!! Sorry about the financial thing. I'm sure it'll all work out. Stay on 'em. I feel ya 'bout the prejudging. I went through my auditions paranoid I was gonna get grilled. Now I just have to worry about the wrong person finding this thread and going through four years on a very small campus nicknamed "Thesbo." Yay! If the stars line up just right and I have time to join a sorority, I can have it on the back of my jersey! ;)</p>

<p>Thesbo--
Is there any way I can send you a private message? It seems you don't have the PM option activated and the email option isn't working. I'd like to take advantage of your wealth of knowledge on this whole college searching thing ask you a question or four... tee hee. Thanks a lot. Dani.</p>

<p>Childstari--Did anyone reply to your question about USC and Miami? My son is a sophomore BFA student at USC. He was accepted at Miami, too, but chose USC instead (he was also accepted at Evansville, DePaul, Boston U., Northwestern and waitlisted at Carnegie Mellon). What specific Qs did you have? Or, is it too late?!</p>

<p>Dani and I were discussing ways of looking at BA programs for those wanting to later pursue an MFA or go straight to a pro studio off-list besides just the general "prestige level" of the school as a whole. I thought it might be good to share what we came up with here. I doubt you can really get everything suggested from any one school, but the more info you can gather, the more informed a decision you’ll be able to make. Anyway, here it is in sort of a loose “steps” or “to do list” format as slightly edited for public consumption. ;)</p>

<p>Step 1:
Get everything you can off the theatre department’s website. Look really closely at the qualifications of the teachers. Have they had real, meaningful professional experience or have they been sequestered in the ivory tower of academia their entire adult lives? Does there seem to be at least one each that specializes in acting, voice, and movement? If so, where did the acting teacher study outside of academia and which methods did that place emphasize? If you already have preferences, is it one to which you relate well? See if the voice teacher specializes in Skinner or some eclectic method. Does she teach the International Phonetic Alphabet? Does the movement teacher have an extensive dance or martial arts background and has she gone places to study Alexander Technique and/or Feldenkrais? Do any of them do Suzuki training? Have any of the teachers published texts and articles? You can also sometimes find random syllabi for some of their classes by searching the college website. If you find those, look closely at the books they use as well as the course expectations. Do some general Google searches for them as well. You can sometimes get some info on them through ratemyprofessor.com though that’s not always reliable. Obviously, you also want to try to get a read on how many and what types of productions the department puts on each year. I’ve found the course progressions on most departmental websites to be fairly incomplete, but some departments will have a student handbook linked. If they do, you can almost skip over the next step though it still might be helpful to do some more investigation. </p>

<p>Step 2:
Email the department’s secretary/administrative assistant and see if she will send you a copy of the Student Handbook and a Degree Progress Checklist used by the faculty to advise students in selecting courses each semester. If they don’t have a Student Handbook they can send you, search the college website for the “Undergraduate Bulletin” or “Undergraduate Catalogue.” This should have a section laying out the degree requirements as well as a list of all courses offered by the department and their descriptions. The course descriptions will usually be at the end of the document. </p>

<p>Step 3:
Evaluate what is offered. I think most BA programs will have like four levels of acting and maybe one or two levels of voice & speech and movement listed. Something I found in looking at my own state university’s offerings is that this can be misleading. Some schools will have several “special topics in theatre” courses that they offer each semester that students can take with permission from the faculty. Sometimes this can actually be more acting classes for small groups of interested students. They can also sometimes cover advanced text analysis, audition techniques, and even musical theatre. Some schools will also have ongoing voice & speech and movement labs for like one hour of credit that you can take every semester once you’ve finished the basic classes. This is something you should definitely ask about when you get around to writing to the department chairs if the regular course offerings seem deficient. If you manage to take everything, this can add up to being almost like a pre-professional BFA curriculum.</p>

<p>Step 4:
If you’re into musical theatre, go through the first three steps with the music and dance departments as well though you might not need to go so far as getting the Student Handbook. Can non-music majors take private singing lessons? Is there a dance minor offered? </p>

<p>Step 5:
If the department seems to be lacking in movement courses, check the PE courses the school might offer. Several levels of yoga, Pilates, and Tai Chi would be a nice find. Also check to see what "special skills" you might be able to obtain like horseback riding, archery, fencing, sailing, martial arts, etc. All that stuff can look very good on your acting resume besides being lots of fun.</p>

<p>Continued ...</p>

<p>Step 6:
Evaluate what you’ll have to do as far as a “core curriculum” goes for the school as a whole. This can play a big part in whether you’ll be able to get in as many theatre related courses as you’d like in four years while still satisfying your other interests. If the school has one, how much of it will you be able to exempt through whichever AP classes you’ve taken thus freeing you up to do what you want? </p>

<p>Step 7:
Find out as much as you can about what the department’s graduates are doing. Does the department have a good placement record with the top MFA programs (UCSD, ACT, Yale, Tisch, UCI, Brandeis.)? Are some studying at professional studios and/or working right out of school? Also, make sure you ask for RECENT graduates. A lot of schools are still crowing about the successes of students who graduated before most of the current faculty were even born.</p>

<p>Step 8:
Shamelessly stalk Livejournal.com! Find the blogrings for each of the schools that interest you and look for theatre majors. If none are immediately apparent, there will usually be one within three degrees of separation from any obviously artsy person you find. Other blogs to check out are Myspace.com, Xanga.com, and Greatestjournal.com though Live Journal’s format seems to encourage the most useful posts and provides the best searchability. A lot of the time, the students won’t say a lot about what they’re specifically doing with their major, but it is a good way to get a feel for the mood of the campus, their general mentality, and what their workload is like. It was hilarious that when I visited one school, I got placed with a girl whose LJ I’d been secretly reading for months! </p>

<p>Step 9:
Write to the heads of the theatre departments individually with specific questions you have after doing all the previous research and make sure you throw in some specific facts about their departments that you’ve gathered. They will appreciate that you’ve done your homework and specific questions aimed directly at various points will make them more likely to answer thoughtfully instead of just throwing you the stock company line. I think this will be a lot more effective than just sending them all the same form letter.</p>

<p>Feel free to add more insights.</p>

<p>Do all of you agree with me when I say thesbo is a really really cool girl to have taken all this time to help us out?!?! And she merely asks that in return we transmit this golden knowledge to the future generations of CC theater kids. Heart of gold I tell you! ** subscript: thanks again thesbo :)</p>

<p>thesbo rocks! the only things i would add are that you should check to see if grad students teach any of the acting classes. some CAN be great but some may be slackers that are struggling to not get kicked out of the mfa program. this can also lead to being stuck in classes with random business majors etc with no talent or experience who dont take it seriously. this would suck muchly if you have experience and cant place out of them.</p>

<p>Thesbo,
your list is great! Addition to #4 for MT types: ask if MT's can take dance with the dance majors. If the answer is no, where and when and how often do they dance?</p>

<p>Further addition to #4 for MT's: who teaches voice to MT's? if you're an acting student, can you take voice with the same teachers who teach the MT's or do the acting students who want private voice study with other teachers (such as vocal performance grad students, etc. )? Is private voice ORr a voice class part of the first year curriculum?</p>

<p>Thesbo-</p>

<p>You truly are amazing! I sure hope I get the opportunity to meet you someday. Let me know if you are ever in Southern California!</p>

<p>Dani,
Thanks for getting me to write it all down! I figured I’ve learned a lot about the process over the past year so I may as well pass it on for those to come. At my school, we have a library of seniors’ past college searches. Most come to like a manila folder. Mine is indexed in two redwells! (Awaiting random "Monica" joke from Notarebel ...)</p>

<p>Chrism,
Good ideas. I think checking to see if the singing lessons are taught by grad students is a good idea, too. I imagine that would be a strong possibility if you're not actually a voice major. Generally, the types of BAs I'm thinking about aren't going to put much emphais on MT though I'm sure there are exceptions. It's probably very possible to "design your own" major at some, though. </p>

<p>WCT,
Thanks! Hopefully, I’ll do at least one summer apprenticeship on that coast in the next four years and maybe head that way after I finish up for either work or grad school. Maybe I’ll pop in on you one day out of the blue. "Hi. I'm Thesbo ..." :)</p>