<p>by surveying students</p>
<p>Thats because Princeton Review is garbage</p>
<p>Except for ranking party schools and weed schools, which is entertaining</p>
<p>Harvard over Yale? Hard to believe. (workload wise)</p>
<p>If the rankings are obtained by surveying students, then it's not really a ranking of how hard students are working, but of how hard they THINK they're working. The two could be very different.</p>
<p>Hard to believe LSU didn't make the list.</p>
<p>You can't take these rankings too seriously. A school that's listed #5 could easily be #25 in reality. I look at PR reviews for kicks mostly.</p>
<p>Also, about the survey... maybe they don't ask students how hard they study, but they ask specific questions such as how many hours on average they study per week? Hopefully they don't just give the student a 1 to 5 scale and have them pick. </p>
<p>In general I do agree with the 2007 rankings; the key schools are all there: MIT, Caltech, HMC, Cooper Union, the military academies, CMU, etc.</p>
<p>I always felt the "their students never stop studying" ranking applied more to places where the culture of the school revolves around work, rather than the workload itself. Columbia, for example, has a notorious workload. I was surprised to find that I and other Columbians work far harder than my friends at Swarthmore, for example. But Columbia students generally attempt to balance work with their social lives more than students at Swarthmore and Chicago, hence the appearance of the latter two on the ranking.</p>
<p>I think columbia2007 has a good point (though it would have been even gooder if he'd said "other Columbians and I"). The students at a place like Williams probably study as much as anybody, but since it's also quite a jock school, they don't get that rep.</p>
<p>What is this farce? </p>
<p>THEY ARE FORGETTING UC Berkeley EECS!! One of the most difficult programs in the nation. Deadly cutthroat from what I've heard. Junk schools like Carnegie Mellon having people that "study hard"? Joke. I've been there and its just a bunch of rednecks drinking. Hardly see any studying.</p>
<p>Marlbolo College. Haha. I am starting to think they had a typo. Their Students Never Stop Smoking is what these rankings probably are.</p>
<p>^^^^</p>
<p>Wow someone's really open minded....yeeesh.</p>
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<p>Well, I don't think they are forgetting anything, so much as they are evaluating entire schools. Heck, if you wanted to rank individual programs, I wouldn't be surprised if the entire top 25 all came from MIT and Caltech. For example, it would be something like, in no particular order: MIT EECS, MIT ChemE, MIT Physics, MIT Math, MIT ME, Caltech Physics, Caltech Math, Caltech EE, Caltech CS, etc. etc. </p>
<p>The sad truth is that while Berkeley has some tough majors like EECS, it also has some creampuff ones. Like American Studies. You ever notice how many Cal football players major in American Studies, just like the football players at other schools tend to study Physical Education? Is it because Cal football players really like to "study America", or is it just because the major is easy? For example, in the 2005 Pac-10 All-Academic football team, of the 4 Cal players named to the first or second team, HALF of them majored in American Studies. And in 2004, of the 3 out of 8 so honored Cal players who had declared their major (hence not counting undeclared majors) were majoring in American Studies. American Studies is one of the smallest majors on campus, graduating only about 130 students a year out of the roughly 5000 graduates a year, yet seems to draw a LOT of football players.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pac-10.org/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/111805aad.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.pac-10.org/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/111805aad.html</a>
<a href="http://www.pac-10.org/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112304aad.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.pac-10.org/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112304aad.html</a></p>
<p>I don't want to harp on American Studies exclusively. The point is, there are majors at Berkeley that really aren't very hard. The athletes have to major in SOMETHING. Contrast that with what is happening at, say MIT or Caltech where even the easy majors are still extremely difficult.</p>
<p>"Carnegie Mellon having people that "study hard"? Joke. I've been there and its just a bunch of rednecks drinking. Hardly see any studying."</p>
<p>We don't study as hard as people think (we like to have fun too) but rednecks? I doubt I've seen one redneck here and the student body demographics alone should prove otherwise. The asians and internationals here make their presence known and almost all the caucasian kids are from Northern states like Jersey, New York, etc.</p>
<p>I have a middle eastern friend there and he loves it there. I doubt there rednecks there.</p>
<p>Schools for people who "think working hard is everything": Cornell, Swarthmore, Chicago, Johns Hopkins.</p>
<p>Schools for people who like to have fun while still being brilliant: Brown, Stanford, Dartmouth, Penn, Duke.</p>
<p>P.S. Grade inflation is awesome.</p>
<p>Keep in mind that PR bases these rankings on unscientific internet polls. The data is worth about as much as an MTV internet poll asking "Who's hotter: Brittney Spears or Justin Timberlake?"</p>
<p>You mean, "Who's hotter: Britney Spears or Swarthmore?"</p>
<p>Who's hotter: project runaway or Parsons ?</p>
<p>CalTech or Anna Nicole Smith?</p>
<p>Definitely Caltech...</p>
<p>Anyone have the list for "their students almost never study" ? I want to see where UF is at :) ?</p>