<p>Also, if he continued on to professional school it would also be much cheaper and easier to get into.</p>
<p>Speaking as someone with very limited state school choices, I like the idea of Virginia because between U VA, Virginia Tech, and William & Mary alone you have an array of very good schools where almost any good student could find a reasonable fit. If you go down a bit on the VA pecking order, you have even more choices that can be fairly flexible. A friend’s kid, for example, recently transferred from Christopher Newport to VT. The HS performance didn’t get the student in to VT, but an excellent freshman year did.</p>
<p>Virginia also offers some variation in climate, atmosphere, and cost of living, and offers reasonable job prospects in a variety of fields.</p>
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I used to think the same thing about my kids and our state U. Life has a way of teaching us things about our children.</p>
<p>Goaliegirl would never go to our state flagship U. Period. Not her cup of tea. Beyond the hockey thing, she tells me that if she were injured in a way that kept her from playing any more, she still wouldn’t go. She really just doesn’t like the town where we live. She’s had the experience of living other places (4 states in 3 regions of the country) and has her preferences for culture. </p>
<p>And quite frankly, I wouldn’t want her to go to a place where she isn’t happy. Only bad fruit falls from that tree.</p>
<p>Yes, it is costing me money. Let’s say that if she wanted to go to school at the flagship U, she would be getting paid to go there. Long story, but her FA/tuition discounts, etc. would far exceed the COA with her current plans. </p>
<p>Once upon a time, I looked at kids (mine in particular) as being flexible (and goaliegirl is). And yes, if she didn’t know what other schools are about, she would probably not be miserable at our state U. However, she does not live in a vacuum and has developed a personna and preferences. Yes, she could go 4 years here and get her degree. However, I want more than 120 credit hours for her in her college experience as college is far more than what goes on in the classroom.</p>
<p>Bottom line is you might move your family to NC or MI, or VA. You might also find that your child misses your home region or would really do better at a small LAC. Kids have a funny way of surprising us.</p>
<p>As someone mentioned earlier, you would need to consider other in-state schools than just the flagship sch. It is possible that he might not get in UNC-CH. I know more than a few great students who were rejected OR he may not even like the school when the time comes or suppose he decides he wants to major in engineering? UNC-CH does not offer engineering majors. That would be NC State Univ.</p>
<p>UNC-CH has a good rep. and most here think it’s great so may find it hard to believe that lots of NC kids who have what it takes to go to UNC won’t even consider it and choose other NC publics instead. Not trying to run down Chapel Hill but it’s not for everybody.</p>
<p>So you should also look into the other public options in whatever state you choose to see if others would also be desirable to attend in the instance that the flagship doesn’t work out for whatever reason.</p>
<p>Both NC and VA have excellent public universities and they are NOT limited to just the flagship schools. If you are banking on Chapel Hill or UVA…I wouldn’t move. BUT if you are looking at the multiple instate public universities in VA and NC, it could be a serious consideration.</p>
<p>Also…you mention something about a three year move. If you PLAN to relocate again once your student is IN college to a different state, you need to check what this will do for his instate tuition status. For some students, they will LOSE the instate status after a year of the family not living in the state.</p>
<p>At our high school (Richmond suburb), the top 5% of the class are pretty much assured of getting accepted to UVA. Anybody in the top 10% has a chance, depending on other factors. Outside the top 10% would be rare. Our high school sends about 8 kids a year to UVA out of a class of 350 because those same kids who are accepted are also accepted to other top schools and may not attend UVA. As has been pointed out, UVA has a definite vibe that is not a good social fit for every student. </p>
<p>If you move while your student is still in college, the next year you would be charged out-of-state tuition at UVA. Establishment of residency is not permanent once achieved. There is a provision for temporary absences (still filing income taxes in Virginia) and military situations, but generally you would need to remain a resident of the state until your son graduates to be eligible for in-state tuition each year. Also be aware that state funding is under pressure. The result may very well be significant increases in tuition over the next few years. For professional school, the tuition differences aren’t that great. For example, the UVA law school charges $38,800 in-state and $43,800 out of state tuition and fees.</p>
<p>I completely agree with others that if you are willing to look beyond UVA, Virginia offers a number of good options, albeit many of them are still very competitive. Most students getting into Virginia Tech from our high school are top 20% of their class, resulting in great hand wringing from alum parents who believe that is the only school worth attending. Going to another in-state school with the intent to transfer is increasingly common. In addition, our younger son and many of his friends did not find what they wanted in any of the in-state schools and have chosen other out-of-state publics. Interestingly, we know very few who go the private school route around here.</p>
<p>That’s interesting about losing in-state status if your parents move. I would think that my son would still be in-state. My friend was married and she and her husband moved to California. Her husband got a job there and she started law school as an in-state. They got divorced when she was still in school and I think she continued as instate.</p>
<p>UNC isn’t very forthcoming with info about this either. They don’t have a cut and dry formula. They just say that they won’t give you in-state status if you move to the state for purposes of education. I tried to nail them down but I think if my husband and I pay NC taxes for a couple of years and our son graduates from a NC high school they wouldn’t be able to deny him.</p>
<p>I would also think that if he graduates from a NC high school and has a NC drivers license and voter registration and we moved out of state he would still be in state although who knows…</p>
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<p>This policy varies by state. You need to check each state’s policies. California is not NC or VA…and that policy may have changed too in recent years with budget issues looming in CA (and significant cuts to the UC and Cal state budgets). </p>
<p>There are some states where your residency is determined as a freshman…and remains the same. BUT that is NOT the case in most states. Residency is determined by the place of residency of the PARENTS. So if the parents move out of state, the following year, that student would no longer have instate residency for tuition purposes. Your student cannot establish residency WHILE being in the state to attend college. YOUR (the parents’) state of residency will determine your child’s state of residency in MOST cases (but not all…so check).</p>
<p>UNCs website says that if you’ve been classified as an in-state you will keep that status as long as you’re continuously enrolled. You may change status if you go from undergrad to grad.</p>
<p>I think the Virginia law is pretty clear that you lose the in-state tuition status if the parents move.
[Virginia</a> Domicile, Undergraduate Admission, U.Va.](<a href=“http://www.virginia.edu/undergradadmission/status.html]Virginia”>http://www.virginia.edu/undergradadmission/status.html)
Q: What rules and procedures govern who is considered an “in-state” student?
A: Section 23-7.4 of the Code of Virginia and its attendant guidelines outline the requirements that you must meet to be classified as “in-state” for educational purposes.
Q: May I leave the state temporarily?
A: Once you have established domicile in Virginia, you may be absent from the State provided you 1) continue to file resident Virginia income tax returns (Form 760) each year you are out of the State, declaring ALL earned income regardless of source; and, 2) do nothing incompatible with your claim of domicile, such as registering to vote in another state.</p>
<p>Gotta say…I agree with VA. The folks paying taxes there are supporting the public universities in that state for instate students who pay instate tuition. If the family lives in a different state…the undergrad would be instate for wherever they live.</p>
<p>I know that’s not true for every state (NC apparently allows continued residency IF the parents move out of state). That being the case, perhaps NC is a better choice than VA if the family plans to relocate again.</p>
<p>What is the matter with Rutgers?</p>
<p>Amazon, you need to check the UNC-CH Office of the Registrar webpage Residency Guide.</p>
<p>It clearly states that you will maintain your original tuition status unless your circumstances change such as place of residence.</p>
<p>It goes on to say "when you get your bill ,the Cashier gives you a notice that says "Your currrent residential classification for purposes of applicable tution rates is required to be changed , if since origianl establishment of your current classification, your state legal residence has changed. If you are currently classified as a resident for tuition purposes, it is your obligation to petition for a change in classification to that of a non-resident if you have reasonable basis for believing that a change in facts requires such a change in classification. The notice also points out that “Failure to fulfil this obligation will result in appropriate diciplinary action, including but no necessarily limited to cancellation of enrollment.” If this applies to you, you must fill out a new resident status application. </p>
<p>I think it’s pretty clear that you can’t move out of state and have your S still receive in-state tuition benefits in NC.</p>
<p>amazon…take a look at the state colleges in kansas…top tier KU, then K-state, Wichita State…
also look at nebraska colleges…univ. of nebraska, etc.</p>
<p>U of Minnesota tuition is not all that much higher for OOS than instate. It’s a fine school.</p>
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<p>So I wonder if UNC spends any resources trying to see if parents are moving out of state. It seems like you could probably get around it someway.</p>
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<p>Why would you want to be dishonest about this?</p>
<p>If your child is really a competitive admit for UVA or UNC-Chapel Hill…you might want to look at U of South Carolina-Columbia. They have some terrific scholarships for OOS students beginning with the McNair (by special application and it’s a doozie but worth it as it’s full tuition plus a laptop), the Cooper ($4000 a year plus reduction to the instate tuition rate) and the McKissick ($2000 a year plus a reduction to the instate tuition rate). The school is truly a hidden gem in flagship universities.</p>
<p>I don’t see how they would need to spend any resources at all. If you want to get any mail whatsoever from your child’s school you would need to submit a change of address. I can’t even imagine wanting to be dishonest about such a thing. No amouint of money in the world is worth that ethical breach of conduct, in my opinion. Do you seriously want to model such behavior for your child?</p>
<p>Do y ou seriously want to run the risk of your child NOT being able to enroll in his classes because YOU were being dishonest or not divulging information you were SUPPOSED to divulge?</p>
<p>Honestly, I hope the state DOES have a well oiled way of tracking those who do not reside within the state boundaries.</p>
<p>Can I ask a silly question?? Where do you think you would like to live? If you plan to semi-retire, pick a place that you think you will like and that has an aoirport with easi of international travel for your H for the times he needs to go to the UK. There are many beautiful communities that have bencome retirement type communities in NC. Asheville, Hendersonville, Highlands and Cashiers are beautiful, though the latter 2 are in the mountains and more of a summer vacation community (but its charming and gorgeous up there). There are beach communities as well. Lots of great options in NC. Ditto for VA. Have you considered Maryland? UMD College Park is great, and UM Baltimore County is rising in some ranks. How about GA? UGA and Ga Tech are great schools and very, VERY affordable for in-state students. Lots of options! Pick where you want to live! Good luck!</p>