This Is What Kills Me About This Process

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<p>Grotongirlie</p>

<p>I'm here to argue? OK, fine. Let's take these one at a time. </p>

<p>1) You choose to ignore the whole "don't judge me, judge Harvardgirl" thing, right?</p>

<p>2) Re: HarvardGirl's grades: So you are saying that B+/A- is the same as B/C or a 2.9 GPA?</p>

<p>3) Re: your AP Scores: To become a national AP scholar, one needs to get at least a 4 on 8 AP exams and have an average of 4 on all exams taken. Only about 100 students from both public and private schools (including Groton and Hotchkiss, etc.) combined in Connecticut manage this feat each year. The vast majority of these scholars are seniors. </p>

<p>Your claimed accomplishments as a junior dwarf the requirements for this top AP honor. One would imagine you would be by far the most accomplished Junior in Connecticut - AP wise. Such accomplishment does not jibe with the tenor here of the OP. </p>

<p>4) You should be believed why? Because you say so? </p>

<p>"I know for a fact that only a small fraction are granted interviews, they are not going to entertain or waste their time interviewing some bozo who applied to harvard …"</p>

<p>"Actually admiral NO that is not true at all! They apparently decide FIRST whether a applicant is worthy of the interview and then they are called upon. I know several kids last year who never got called and did not get in."</p>

<p>"i have reason to believe that what she told me is true, and if its not then so what."</p>

<p>"wait just a minute mallomar, you totally took this the wrong way! … it is rediculous as was suggested by someone above that everyone who applies gets an interview. I have never heard of that and my point is why would they waste it on someone who clearly is not harvard material? I wasn't at all referring to someon liek yourself "</p>

<p>“How do you know I haven't approached it like an adult? Believe me I have,”</p>

<p>“I am not rich, I come from an upper middle class family, my father is in his family business, and my mother is a historian (very underpaid but highly interesting field of work)”</p>

<p>“I am from a upper middle class family at best with two hard working parents, average house,etc.........please DO NOT at my expense paint me to be some lucky little spoiled girl”</p>

<p>“I DO NOT under any circumstance come from any kind of "priveledged background"”</p>

<p>“I am NOT spoiled,” </p>

<p>“i am not superficial by any stretch ...”</p>

<p>“Nor am I dumb, I am a straight A student who works very very hard”</p>

<p>“ONE MORE TIME FOR THE RECORD”</p>

<p>“I did not "attack" another girl,”</p>

<p>“I AM NOT I AM NOT IAM NOT COMPLAINING.......”</p>

<p>“How OBNOXIOUS! … that is pretty ignorant and so in your face, right? I nearly puked. He is so ostentascious its rediculous. These kinds of people really make my skin crawl. ... I know many of my skeptics out there are shaking their heads, saying "grotongirlie needs to get a life and stop fixating on this girl possibly getting into H. but to be so obvious about it really makes me crazy!"’</p>

<p>“‘Do I think its IN ANY WAY FAIR? NO NO NO I DO NOT!’”</p>

<p>“if I dont' and she does, than I am going to GO CRAZY!”</p>

<p>“when all I did all along was mention my own personal gripe,”</p>

<p>“I AM DIFFERENT SO DON'T SAY I AM NOT.”</p>

<p>“I am a big girl and don't need to cry”</p>

<p>“I assure you I am not immature but really just speak my mind”</p>

<p>“I beg to differ, I dont' have a negative attitude”</p>

<p>“I beg to differ, I just looked over my op and I am believe my own harshest critic but where exactly did I give impression of being ENTITLED?”</p>

<p>“123no I think to the contrary, my advisor felt really strongly about applying early to Yale given my legacy status PLUS and this is a big plus I had my dad BREATHING DOWN MY NECK. I guess they felt I stood the best chance as a EA candidate”</p>

<p>“I DID get in on my own merit.”</p>

<p>"OH MY GOD! ARE YOU PEOPLE NOT LISTENING???????????????"</p>

<p>“I AM NOT HYPROCRITICAL, MURKY, get your facts straight seroiusly, you have no idea what you are talking about.”</p>

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<p>Grotongirlie</p>

<p>Your aren't here to argue, flame or troll? You are here for reasoned rational discussion. Uh Huh</p>

<p>“evil asian, you sound like a nice person.......NOT! Your name couldn't be more appropriate, I really like someone who can see and deal with his shortcomings. If you dont' have anything nice to say, don't bother.”</p>

<p>“Windslicer, if you dont' care you don't have to waste your precious time commenting. … If you don't like the thread, don't visit, its very simple.”</p>

<p>“If you dont' get that, you are hopeless and not worth having a conversation with. Please don't address by again unless you have something nice to say,”</p>

<p>“Coureur, if this has rubbed you the wrong way, then thats ashame”</p>

<p>“Mallomar, I have no point to make to you so please don't address any questions to me”</p>

<p>“mallomar, … You seem to have a personal vendetta against me and I suggest you get over it, you don't know me and I find it rather hateful to judge me without knowing a thing about me.”</p>

<p>“Gee thanks, you are friendly! NO (T)”</p>

<p>“I almost sensed a little resentment in your tone.”</p>

<p>“Yes, my father went to Yale and I don't' have to hide it, if it makes you feel better to snide and redicule my acceptance that its based strictly on my dad having gone there, then do it, it obviously makes you feel better about yourself, and hey if you are that insecure then do it.”</p>

<p>“Blossom, you may not have intended to come across "cruel" but with all due respect you did.”</p>

<p>“actually kami, … now go ahead and attack me for bragging.”</p>

<p>“Patriot, you know NOTHING about me, … Don't judge please! If this is one of the most obnoxiuos posts you have read, you obviously haven't been around long. …, so you are not insightful enough obviously to understand my gripe and see this situation for what it is, you are one of the more ignorant ones … Wow you really know alot. NOT!”</p>

<p>“Let us know where you go to school and if she really is the "magic college fairy" so we can all move to your school! NOT!”</p>

<p>“I guess I gave my fellow cc'ers more credit and figured they were above this kind of jabbing and interrogation. Boy was I wrong. Nasty is indeed the right word.”</p>

<p>“For some though to come off with these scathing attacks, I can't help but wonder if I have hit a soft spot or something I mean geez i can almost feel the anger coming across my monitor and its scary!... Point made. ........off to school.”</p>

<p>“You are a harsh bunch …”</p>

<p>“…, speak for yourself please not "everyone".”</p>

<p>“…the "enemies" who were just waiting for me to say something that could be remotely twisted into something negative “</p>

<p>“YES I did want to know how others felt and I wanted to rant a little too, got a problem with that? Go find another thread to bully somone. Geez..........for a supposed "educated group of people" some come off pretty ignorant.”</p>

<p>“I have never on any thread come across a more difficult, ready to attack, antagonistic bunch as I have here save for a few of you fellow "rational thinkers"”</p>

<p>“Evil... you sound downright ignorant with all due respect...I pity your way of thinking more than I can be angry with you. … I have no regrets of any kind, but do question the integrity of many on this particular thread, it kind of chills my blood thinking of how some think.”</p>

<p>"you are so profond in those one liners! REALLY DEEP."</p>

<p>"I frankly don't give a **** what you think."</p>

<p>“I dont' feel like I have to defend myself to a bunch of people clearly who have some issues of their own and need to vent at other people's expense. … I found some of you to be quick to judge and downright offensive. Please don't judge a book by its cover, yes I have the right to be annoyed by a classmate…”</p>

<p>"sending a bunch of anonymous letters to each of the admissions office just to vent and make myself feel better"</p>

<p>“Kami, I mean I wonder where all that anger comes from, as I said before I am assuming and really hoping its the stress and nothing more.”</p>

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<p>Nice try, Odyssey. Groton has left this thread to pose the same question in a new thread.</p>

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<p>People like you ("you" being people who waste unbelievable amounts of time attempting to prove your own superiority to some anonymous person you'll probably never meet) are the reason I'm going to Yale in the fall.</p>

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<p>^^^^^^ Loved your comment elihopeful. Simply put and oh soooo true!</p>

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<p>I'm sorry to break it to ya, grotongirlie, but Odyssey's drama in no way overshadows your 13 page performance.</p>

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<p>Awh shucks! Well I gratefully and humbly accept this award, and have so many of you thank, too many to name. This has been quite a journey and without all of you and your "tough love" I wouldn't have made it here without you! My big question though is how many of you will I get to meet at Y or H? On that note, thank you for this "ride" It truly has made me who I am. :)</p>

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<p>Stayed tuned for my next performance......coming to a thread near you! HAHA, hey at least I have my sense of humor intact. My dad is getting more of a charge out of this than I am.....go figure!:)</p>

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<p>talk about epic thread battles...</p>

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<p>Sorta the the whole point of GG's thread.</p>

<p>Provoke, then insult, and provoke again (the "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all" is always a winner as the sentence after an insult)</p>

<p>...and if the board provocations aren't enough to draw the desired response - then start sending PM's</p>

<p>This wasn't GG's first such thread and certainly won't be the last since this particular "debate" has been started over on another thread.</p>

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<p>Odyssey there is no "provocations" such as the one you have involved yourself in going on, on any other thread other than this one. Thanks to you it was escalated to new heights in a rather freaky way I might add. I have made my point, fully stand behind it and that is that. If you have a problem with it, its just that.......YOUR PROBLEM. You are right, this isn't my last thread, no "bully" like yourself is going to intimidate me. I have worked hard to be where I am and to stand up and voice my opinions whether they are accepted by the likes of you or not. I have no idea what your agenda is but seriously get a life. Your hating is just not flattering.</p>

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<p>WOW. I can't believe you're getting all indignant about someone else's unfair advantage. I went to an above average public school in MA, and guess how many got into Yale in the past 15 years? Zero. Zip. That includes those applying with perfect SAT's, world class violinists, etc. I can show you other schools w/ class sizes of 700 where the valedictorian never gets into an Ivy. Groton is just another institution that helps regenerate the ruling class and prevents the U.S. from moving towards any kind of true meritocracy.</p>

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<p>GG</p>

<p>Please.</p>

<p>By the time I first posted here, you had already spent 11 pages offending others who had responded to your initial post. </p>

<p>You did not ask for comments in that OP, but why else post. The majority of posters didn't agree with your point of view. Never the less, you took the time to insult each and every one of them personally. </p>

<p>My contribution?</p>

<p>In post 154, I took six words to agree with you.</p>

<p>"I know many of my skeptics out there are shaking their heads, saying "grotongirlie needs to get a life and stop fixating on this girl possibly getting into H."</p>

<p>Only the tip of the iceberg...</p>

<p>Post 155 was from Token Adult:</p>

<p>That is the problem with using a public online bulletin board for venting--someone might read the message and reply.</p>

<p>You replied in post 157, continuing with your insults:</p>

<p>"YES I did want to know how others felt and I wanted to rant a little too, got a problem with that? Go find another thread to bully somone. Geez..........for a supposed "educated group of people" some come off pretty ignorant."</p>

<p>My response in post 158? three words:</p>

<p>...biting my tongue</p>

<p>Hardly a throw down, but you took the time to start PMing me. I'd posted 9 words on an 11 page thread and you send me three private messages, two of which I deleted without reading. ...who is the one with too much time on their hands again?</p>

<p>Next we come to your posts 172 and 173:</p>

<p>“If you dont' get that, you are hopeless and not worth having a conversation with. Please don't address by again unless you have something nice to say, all this hating is really bad for your health.”</p>

<p>“evil asian, you sound like a nice person.......NOT! Your name couldn't be more appropriate, I really like someone who can see and deal with his shortcomings. If you dont' have anything nice to say, don't bother.”</p>

<p>My 4 word response in post 175?</p>

<p>Can we spell irony?</p>

<p>Does this really need to be explained? Is the problem with your above two posts not obvious? Is not the pattern of first insulting someone and then telling them not to say anything if they can’t say something nice, simply absurd on its face? Rationally, you can do one or the other, not both. … if the reference is too obtuse or off the mark then people were going “huh?” at me, not at you. Did I call you any names? Did I say anything derogatory about you? No.</p>

<p>But you chose to insult anyway.</p>

<p>In post 177, at your prodding, I gave you a reasoned challenge to you claims. Another poster commented on it ‘Wow. Someone has done his/her homework ^. That was probably one the best researched responses I've read so far.”
For whatever reason, you choose to avoid the substance of anything said and go ad hominem.</p>

<p>My next two, rather lengthy posts are simply a refutation of your posts and summary of this thread using your own words.</p>

<p>Have I attacked you personally? Have I demeaned you? No. But you certainly have done that to plenty of others, starting with your Harvard girl. I have pointed our factual and logical inconsistencies in your posts. Have I directed “hate” your way? No. Heck, I believe you are a fictional persona, so who would there be to hate? </p>

<p>As for what’s coming FROM you, there is almost a full page of your provocations posted above. Others of your posts have been deleted. Is everyone who disagrees with you really the mean, hating, intimidating bullies that you call them? Readers of this thread can judge for themselves whose been trying to intimidate and bully whom for the past 13 pages.</p>

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<p>OdysseyTigger, I suggest you not spend anymore of your (or indeed our--by "our"- I mean the collective group of posters who hope to remain sane) time responding to this thread because after 13 pages, it's pretty clear nothing productive is going to result from this thread.</p>

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<p>Odyssey, at this point I have to come to 2 conclusions, you sound like a person who has a grudge to pick with someone out there and that you are not worth my time responding to. So that said I see no productive means coming out of this back and forth. You have a right to your opinion as do I, we arent' going to agree so whats the point. If anyone has gotten off topic, its you. That said, have a nice day.</p>

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<p>^</p>

<p>You're absolutely right! I hope you do get into Harvard, because it seems you've displayed the passion and maturity necessary to succeed there.</p>

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<p>bwahahahahahahaha</p>

<p>Seriously.</p>

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<p>Yes, we're here with our arms wide open to welcome her in December...</p>

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<p>wow this is one heated thread. the topic really caught my eye. I am not in the league of the original OP but i have to say with the little i have read can sympathize with her/him. I mean this does happen and my best friends sister who is the smartest girl I have ever known, so off the charts it wasnt' funny was deferred from Yale when one of her classmates, a boy from a family who we all would know got in because of "who he was". I can understand the frustration behind the OP and think some of you have been really harsh. my b.f sister eventually got into Yale but not after months of speculating and being a nervous wreck. I just think it should be about the student and nothing else but I know its not reality, that would and could only happen in a perfect world.:)</p>

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I just think it should be about the student and nothing else but I know its not reality.

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<p>That's right: that's not reality. None of the best colleges in the United States arrange applicants in a strict rank order by high school performance to fill their classes--not one. They all look to "build a class," considering selecting students to be a crucial element in building up the overall educational atmosphere on the campus. A student's reward for studying hard in high school is the student's high school diploma and transcript. I've not heard of any instances of a really, truly outstanding high school student lacking any good college to go to, but we read every day here on CC about students who appear to be passed over by someone with less impressive academic credentials. I don't worry about it. As each of my children get to be old enough to apply to college, they can decide where to apply (possibly, none will apply to any Ivy League college) and they can decide where to enroll if they are admitted to more than one college each. I don't tell them that they "deserve" to be in any college, and I remind them that college admission officers make their own decisions for their own reasons. </p>

<p>For a perspective on this issue from Malcolm Gladwell, see his</a> review of Jerome Karabel's book The</a> Chosen. Ivy League colleges consciously differ from the way students are admitted to college in other countries, and the admission offices are NOT proposing going to a system of ranking all applicants by high school record. That's not going to happen, and I think that is a feature rather than a bug of the current system.</p>