This kid got into Cornell...

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<p>Sybbie...don't know about this particular case, but most likely the data did not include students' names.</p>

<p>at stuyvesant, for example, students can log in to the college office and access prior-year's acceptance, deferral, waitlist,rejected info by school. no names, but SATs and GPAs are listed for each applicant. if you know a particular child's stats (your own, for example), you can figure it out.</p>

<p>the data can give prospective applicants a feel for how they stack up, at least in terms of statistics.</p>

<p>what it really shows, however, is that grades and test scores aren't the basis for these decisions.</p>

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<p>"yet we have an entire forum filled with kids trying to do it"</p>

<p>LMAO Jimmy, you're funny =P</p>

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<p>Hi NYCdad,</p>

<p>i understand where you are coming from but I think that Stuyvesant is also in a great gray area as the school counselors are obgligated to protect the confidentiality of school records and release personal data in accordance with prescribed laws and school policies. </p>

<p>Should a parent or student complain because they were identified by information that was made public the school has opened a major can of worms and could be held liable. (people like being on the evening news)</p>

<p>Theoretically the in an effort to CYA, the school should theoretically obtain consent from students and their parents.</p>

<p>Hey this is the same NYC school system where </p>

<p>*
One mother, who asked not to be identified because she still has a son at Boys and Girls, said her older son was placed on a shortened schedule when he arrived at Boys and Girls in September 2003 as a 16-year-old freshman, two years older than most ninth graders. </p>

<p>Yet, </p>

<p>The nonprofit group that forced New York City to promise to stop pushing failing students out of the public schools filed suit yesterday charging that Boys and Girls High School in Brooklyn has continued to force students out, in violation of the law and the city's pledge.</p>

<p>Moreover, the suit charges, many struggling students at Boys and Girls High are essentially warehoused in the school auditorium, where they fill out worksheets for three hours a day and attend no classes. As a result, they fail to earn course credits needed for promotion, and then are told they can no longer attend the school, the suit contends.</p>

<p>By pushing out students who are failing and unlikely to graduate, as well as truants and students with behavior problems, schools can raise their test-score averages and graduation rates while reducing suspensions and dropout rates.</p>

<p>In response to earlier cases, the city adopted new discharge codes intended to improve tracking of the reasons students leave high school, and it settled two federal lawsuits by promising to readmit students who were forced out without diplomas.*</p>

<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/12/nyregion/12school.html?ex=1129953600&en=a14bc11bf861b96f&ei=5070&pagewanted=all%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/12/nyregion/12school.html?ex=1129953600&en=a14bc11bf861b96f&ei=5070&pagewanted=all&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>But yet no one seems to be asking the mom where was she the 2 years her son was failing out of school? Just another day in the neighborhood.</p>

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<p>Please tell me you are not comparing what goes on at Boys & Girls to what goes on at Stuyvesant.</p>

<p>Brooklyn Tech posts stats as well. No names, but does post acceptances/rejections with the GPA & SAT scores. Students call go to the college office and look up the colleges they are interested in to see what the precendent was. I see noting worng with this as long as there are no names.</p>

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<p>No I am just stating that we have become a society that wll sue at the drop of a hat and it does not take much for someone to sue the NYC department of education. </p>

<p>Just because schools allow the practice and no one has complained yet, (the operative word being yet) it does not mean that the school is any less exposed should a the student/parent feel that their confidentiality was breached.</p>

<p>At my d's high school they did stoped posting where students were applying jsut posted acceptances when june rolled round for this very reason.</p>

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<p>Sybbie....after sheparding my S through 12 years of public education in NYC, I'll vouch for the fact that you've barely scratched the surface.</p>

<p>At the same time, the college acceptance/rejection stats we're talking about exist because EVERYONE wanted access to them. Stuyvesant may or may not be in a gray area; it is certainly an unusual case, with nearly 800 kids per year applying to college, easily half of whom are fully qualified, stat wise, for acceptance at HYPSMetc. Let me assure you Stuy parents are far too busy poring over those stats, analyzing them to death, to spare any time for a law suit :)</p>

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<p>Sybbie</p>

<p>For Stuyvesant, the Acceptance/Rejection/Waitlist info and stats are posted by the students themselves. Each student has an account and are told to report the information at the end of the year. If they really did not want other people to know, they would no post. It sounds perfectly okay to me and I see no reason how this is a legal issue</p>

<p>also note that colleges do the same thing on a larger scale when they post the gpa/sat, etc distribution of the entering freshman class. Is that wrong too?</p>

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also note that colleges do the same thing on a larger scale when they post the gpa/sat, etc distribution of the entering freshman class. Is that wrong too?

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<p>Colleges list information on the student body as a whole not individually (if they relased the SAT scores and GPA of each student then that's a different issue).</p>

<p>There is also a difference between student posting their own stats and the school releasing their stats. as you state they have a choice to not release it. It is a legal issue because as minors the school should be obtaining informed consent from the parent prior to releasing any confidential information or at minimum obtaining a waiver.</p>

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<p>Kids and parents at our public high school can log onto our school district's Web site to see similar college acceptance data. There is no identifying info so it is impossible to know who's who unless you are familiar with someone's SAT scores or GPA. You are unable to tell if a particular student was a recruited athlete, legacy or URM. The program used is NAVIANCE. This info is extremely helpful and was not available when my first two kids applied to college.</p>