<p>The topic speaks for itself. I just finished slogging through the needaccess.org financial aid application. What is the point of not having an option for the student not to have his or her own household? It's so confusing. Where did this needaccess thing come from, anyway? Do you guys like it better or worse than CSS/Profile?</p>
<p>YOur child is most likely attending professional school, where while s/he is independent for federal aid, your income and assets are still needed in order for him/her to get need based aid.</p>
<p>Nope, undergraduate.</p>
<p>I thought the question by question explanations on CSS/Profile were much clearer.</p>
<p>I filled out Need Access last year when D1 was applying to med school, and yes it was a bear. Luckily the school she is attending asks for the Profile instead. What UG college requires Need Access?</p>
<p>I’ve never heard of an undergrad school using Need Access. Are you sure this is required for first time UNDERGRADS.</p>
<p>usc is now suggesting it for continuing undergrads</p>
<p>According to the USC website…continuing students must complete EITHER the Profile or Need Access forms by March 3, in addition to the FAFSA.</p>
<p>If it were me, I would stick with what is familiar. In other words…having DONE the Profile as an incoming freshman, I would just continue using the Profile. </p>
<p>I didn’t see anything that said USC preferred Need Access over the Profile for continuing students.</p>
<p>USC is now emailing continuing undergrads and instructing them to complete the Need Access <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-southern-california/1612588-new-financial-aid-process-for-continuing-students.html#latest”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-southern-california/1612588-new-financial-aid-process-for-continuing-students.html#latest</a> . The email (see the linked thread for more info) does not mention the CSS/Profile as an option. If it were me, I might call and ask if the CSS/Profile remains an option.</p>
<p>And they should also change their website. You know…some prospective student parents might be looking to see what they require for continuing students. It’s nice that they are sending this email…but really, it would make all sorts of sense to have accurate website information!</p>
<p>I wonder why they are making the change to need access? Money?</p>
<p>The email suggests that this will “reduce processing time and eliminate unnecessary information.” I don’t know anything about the NeedAccess, so I don’t know whether the applicant will benefit with less paperwork - from the opening post, it doesn’t seem so :)</p>
<p>That’s interesting that USC says it will eliminate unnecessary information. I’ve done the Profile for 2 kids and can tell you that Need Access was more extensive and confusing. It asked for a lot more estimates and the definitions were not very clear. I had to make a couple of calls for clarification because it seemed like some information was being asked for more than once in slightly different ways. It makes the Profile look like a piece of cake IMO.</p>
<p>If I were a betting woman, I would guess this has to do with cost cutting being done by USC</p>
<p>I spoke with Financial Aide at SC yesterday about this. My younger S is applying for freshman admission and older S will be a senior. They told me to just fill out CSS for each of them. This is a “pilot” year for continuing students. Supposedly asks fewer questions than CSS. But from the feedback above, it doesn’t sound like it is.</p>
<p>I have a lot to say which I categorized in case my concerns are not yours…</p>
<p>WHY “NEEDACCESS”
My daughter is a sophomore at USC (undergrad). USC is requesting many students seeking university aid to complete it this year & with a deadline of 3/3. If you count the number of undergrad schools using “needaccess” you will see there are only about 4-5. So I wonder what is the character/nature of this application that makes it especially appropriate for grad/PhD candidates and not undergrads. (And why would USC decide to use it vs their usual CSS Profile.)</p>
<p>Some of you are discussing whether to complete the CSS Profile or “needaccess”. The initial announcement on the USC FA page said all students (families) seeking aid were to complete FAFSA. They were to complete another form, ONLY if USC FA requested them to do so, and that form would be EITHER the CSS Profile OR the “needaccess” application; BOTH were NOT to be completed. I would never suggest that we presume we can choose whichever we desire - to me, we’d only be asking for trouble.</p>
<p>I also have to ring in on something else being discussed. Subsequent to reading the announcement on the FA page, USC sent a 2/3/14 email to both my daughter and me (because I am set up to receive such notices) saying they are switching to “needaccess” - “As part of our ongoing efforts to reduce processing time and eliminate unnecessary information…” (It is the letter others have copied into this discussion.) Read carefully for it does not say the switch is to reduce students’/families’ time, but rather USC FA’s time. For our family, it most definitely has not resulted in reduced preparation time, nor reduced the information we have to supply. (More on this later.)</p>
<p>The whole application strikes me as the university mining for every tiny asset they would deem usable toward the student’s bill. (They are especially seeking data on student or family businesses.) It is their prerogative to uncover student and family resourcses; it is their money we are seeking. My guess is that they are looking for more confidence in their method of determining the university aid to students. – In Spring 2012 when my daughter was still a hs student applying to the university, I had a conversation with a FA officer. Relating to my particular situation, he remarked that USC FA had not yet been told by the higher powers to reign-in the University aid, but it was in the air that it was coming. I suspect the switch to “needaccess” at this time has something to do with that. Why else would they be making this switch? Knowing the university is in the midst of a very major fundraising campaign makes it a little hard to reconcile to their maybe wanting to cut back on their aid awards, but I guess I really should keep those thoughts separate. Any aid my daughter is awarded is due to the generosity of others, so I can’t have any anger that the “needaccess” analysis may result in a lower award for her and a higher EFC for us… although certainly that is a concern of mine as I’m going through this process. The reason she is at USC is due to their having made it “affordable”.</p>
<p>DIFFICULTY OF “NEEDACCESS”
- Some of you say it is easier than the CSS Profile. That is not my opinion.</p>
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<li><p>There is a learning curve which could account for some of my opinion, but I really don’t think that is the case. Granted, unlike CSS profile, it is not seeking 3 years’ scenarios 2012/2013/2014, but it seeks a lot of picayune data and estimation scenarios which require a lot of number crunching and a lot of brain-strain.</p></li>
<li><p>The way I work, I make notes to explain things to myself for subsequent years. For several question Blocks, my notes are far more detailed and lengthy than anything I ever did for the CSS Profile just to help myself with the logic of how to approach arriving at what they are looking for.</p></li>
<li><p>Of course “needaccess” is not open for assistance beyond 8pm eastern time M-F nor weekends - the times when most of us would be working on this thing. …but then was CSS’ hours any different?</p></li>
<li><p>As part of their offering, I printed the worksheet AND instructions as part of my preparations. On my paper, I noted every Block having unclear instructions. Then I went into the actual application to see if there were better instructions for these Blocks. The system, however, does not allow you to advance to subsequent pages unless all Blocks with an * (required field) is filled-in. Just for the purpose of advancing to get an idea if these instructions were any better, I filled some with dummy answers. Ho-ho, just as I suspected, the instructions are identical to what I had printed out. So… I called “needaccess” and told the rep I had questions on 32 Blocks where what they were seeking was unclear! The rep stayed with me for one-and-three-quarters hours until I understood them all. She was very patient and professional despite my exasperation. (Note: Some Blocks’ questions have a “CST #” vs a “Ref. #”. CST means a customized question from the school, but “needaccess” has the familiarity with these questions to be able to answer them.)</p></li>
<li><p>Although someone in this discussion commented that they were able to complete the “needaccess” w/o completing their Federal taxes first, I don’t think that would be a typical scenario, so don’t be misled into thinking you’ll get this thing done quickly. Today is my 5th day working on this application with many hours a day devoted to it. I know I will not finish it tonight, either. To lend some perspective, I have completed the CSS Profile since 2009 and do our family’s taxes, so I’d say I have an aptitude for this stuff. Further, my husband and I and soph. daughter have nothing beyond the ordinary things of savings/checking/cash/IRA’s/401k/mortgaged house/cars without loans, so mine is maybe “easier” than others.</p></li>
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<p>TIPS
- Be especially wary of Block 33u and its counterparts (parent/student/2013/2014). I told my husband that anyone who doesnot do their own Federal tax preparation will be easily fooled into giving an incorrect number because what 33u (and counterparts) seeks from 1040 Line 49 is comprised of several components. And be very careful of the wording for Block 6x. The “needaccess” rep confirmed that money earned over the summer but saved (not spent) is not to be counted. A point to ponder for the instruction: if you haven’t spent money, then isn’t it being saved for expenses to come? </p>
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<li><p>At the end of the application there is a place to provide notes to the FA office.</p></li>
<li><p>Last but not least, BE CAREFUL because the system WILL SIGN YOU OUT WITHOUT ANY WARNING AND YOU WILL LOSE THE DATA YOU’VE BEEN INSERTING ON YOUR CURRENT PAGE. In the introductory information, they do not tell you there is a timer. And there is no “Save” button, either. How professional is that??? I discovered if you click “Previous” at the bottom of a page, the data you are inputting on your current page will be saved; then you can click on “Next” (or forward? or advance?) to get back to the page you were working on.</p></li>
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<p>Nobody here said that NA is easier than the Profile, quite the opposite. alamemom cited an email from USC that stated that NA would “reduce processing time and eliminate unnecessary information”, but that wasn’t a member advocating for NA.</p>