<p>yeah..freshman admission is pretty competitive..in fact, it's not uncommon for both cal and ucla to turn down students with high SAT scores</p>
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<p>Yes, and a good high school transcript.</p>
<p>Eh, maybe. They do have at least 60 units completed. That and a good personal statement that does some explaining could make up for it.</p>
<p>okay, so this normally happens on the CC boards. but not everyone is from california or looking to go to a UC. </p>
<p>in accordance with the Original topic...is there any more advice for students looking to transfer to their dream school</p>
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Eh, maybe. They do have at least 60 units completed. That and a good personal statement that does some explaining could make up for it.
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<p>I did not think of it that way.</p>
<p>Then again, one must also consider that students from top tier universities are, in general, prioritized above CC students. I am certain that I would not have been admitted at both UChicago and Rice University were I attending a community college.</p>
<p>That's also true. The student's main selling point would have to be a "look at my growth" kind of thing; if an admissions committee is willing to accept that, then the CC thing is more or less okay.</p>
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<p>I beg to differ. I and a few of my freinds have gone through cc for 2 years...we all got accepted into great schools in fact most of us got full schorlaships to our dream schools which include UChicago, MIT and Cornell.</p>
<p>My advice is to pursue one EC and really excel in it...for example, if you are doing research, try to get a paper published and get your recommendation from the same professor....then, if you are working, try to get work at a place which supplements your major...and the other most important EC's are positions which reflect leadership qualities and make you stand out in a crowd...
datz from my experience...hope it helps!!</p>
<p>Advice to future transfers is to get to know your teachers, the better they know you the better they can describe you in their letters of recs. Also work hard, maintain a high GPA and get involved in important stuff such as research, internships, community service etc.
If there are any anomalies in your record, make sure you adress them and explain them- don't make excuses- just explain them. The admissions staff won't know what happened unless you tell them.
A great personal essay also helps. Make sure your voice emerges. This shows them who you really are. :)</p>
<p>My dream college btw was Smith College...i will be attending in the fall :)</p>
<p>I had two dream schools (UChicago and NYU) and I was accepted to NYU so I will finally be in the big apple this fall as well, and I couldn't be happier. It isn't easy to do the transfer thing, but it all pays off if you can get to that school you've always wanted to go to.</p>
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I think most Berkeley and UCLA (transfer) admits could stand a chance provided they had decent/good SAT scores. But you're still right, however, since I don't think a lot of the Berkeley/UCLA admits could do well on the SAT.</p>
<p>Okay, let me have it.
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<p>I disagree. It's a misconception that CC students are only at a CC because they did poorly in HS or there SAT scores were atrocious. Certainly we can't deny that these students are at CCs, but I have trouble saying they constitute the majority of top tier transfer students.</p>
<p>With a 1430 SAT I and a good GPA, I choose to attend CC mostly due to financial reasons. Sure, its just allegory but I think thats representative of a good portion of transfers.</p>
<p>CC transfers to top schools graduate with the same average GPA and go to grad school at the same rate as freshmen entrants. So the argument they are not as capable as freshman entrants is shaky at best, despite whatever the majority opinion on campus is.</p>
<p>Also, if a student were to do a complete 180 from high school, going from whatever lead them to not getting accepted to a 4-year college to near straight A's in CC, it would be difficult to say the least. I would have to say these people would probably do just as well had they been in Virginia trying to get into UVA.</p>
<p>At least thats how I feel.</p>
<p>Three words: NEVER GIVE UP!!!!!! </p>
<p>Plan ahead, approach your academics proactively, talk to professors, always look for good resources, participate in all classes, go to your classes ontime, read books, focus on conceptual understanding rather than memorization, always ask questions if you get stuck even if the question is stupid, take the right courses, have a good educational plan, don't drop your class... many many more! </p>
<p>To brag a little bit, I got in all 9 schools that i applied including UCB, UCLA, UCSD and USC :D super happy!</p>
<p>"It is, however, extremely difficult to consistently perform well here."</p>
<p>I think thats more a measure of how committed the students are to work rather than an assessment of a students ability to comprehend (your person who scored a 1500 SAT being a good example). </p>
<p>Comprehension being the main goal of the CC.</p>
<p>since i've heard berkeley is sooo random about admissions, i'm actually quite terrified that i will work hard, get all As, excel in college, get involved with my major, and STILL DUE TO BAD LUCK AND THEIR RANDOM METHODS OF SELECTION, be rejected. ugh what a nightmare...hopefully, the transfer selection process isn't as random as i hear it is...</p>
<p>"since i've heard berkeley is sooo random about admissions, i'm actually quite terrified that i will work hard, get all As, excel in college, get involved with my major, and STILL DUE TO BAD LUCK AND THEIR RANDOM METHODS OF SELECTION, be rejected. ugh what a nightmare...hopefully, the transfer selection process isn't as random as i hear it is..."</p>
<p>If you are well qualified enough, I doubt this so called lottery process applies to you. When people speak about the randomness of Cal admissions, I think they are mostly talking about borderline canidates who didn't make the cut. So point being, stay stellar in everything and you should be in. Best of luck IloveCali =]</p>
<p>It's not random. If you have A's in several english courses, yet in your essays make noticeable mistakes in grammar and punctuation or, in general, not answer the question prompt, the adcoms will reconsider the impact your grades have on your admission.</p>
<p>Also some people with high GPA forget to mention the number of "W's", P/NP", gaps in education, violent history, or other academic anomalies in their transcript.</p>
<p>If you honestly received A's in CC, walked away learning more than you came in, and grew as a person, theres no way they would deny you. If they do, it's their loss because they will have missed someone who do great things, regardless of their undergraduate education.</p>
<p>I didn't fare too well in freshman admissions, but so far, I'm doing better as a transfer. I would recommend continuing to work hard and don't have that "I worked my butt off in high school and look where I am now" attitude. Even if you may go off to a CC, just know that anything is possible. Whatever you want may be done, only if you are willing to make the best out of your current situation. Don't forget to relax, and don't stress way too much! It's unhealthy. haha</p>
<p>Matt30: At Berkeley, it is common to encounter 1500+ SAT I kids who spend eight to ten hours on problem sets for EE classes and still get C's and D's at the end of the term. At selective science schools, effort has very little to do with how one performs -- it's largely intelligence that counts. At MIT and Caltech, you'll find that some kids always get A's with little effort and some kids always get C's even if they study like crazy. The hard sciences are a totally different ballgame. The College of Letters and Science and the College of Engineering are separate at Berkeley, and you can't transfer from the former to the latter without enormous difficulty; the inverse is not true.</p>
<p>I think that, in general, Berkeley's humanities curriculum and grading system are designed to reward those who put in more effort rather than those who are naturally gifted. It is my sense that this is why Berkeley's acceptance rates are abysmally low for the most selective graduate programs in comparison to the Ivies. In too many humanities courses, students are rewarded for "showing improvement" rather than being graded on the quality of the work they produce. Again, this is not the case at most of the Ivies.</p>
<p>"I think that, in general, Berkeley's humanities curriculum and grading system are designed to reward those who put in more effort rather than those who are naturally gifted. It is my sense that this is why Berkeley's acceptance rates are abysmally low for the most selective graduate programs in comparison to the Ivies. In too many humanities courses, students are rewarded for "showing improvement" rather than being graded on the quality of the work they produce. Again, this is not the case at most of the Ivies."</p>
<p>If this applies to English as well Byul, I'd be pretty happy.</p>