<p>The stats this year for the incoming class at FSU is very very strong, stronger than UCF.</p>
<p>dvm - you are confusing UCF’s “accepted” stats with FSU’s “enrolled” stats which may be found here: <a href=“http://www.ir.fsu.edu/Performance_Indicators/Major/Mj05.pdf[/url]”>http://www.ir.fsu.edu/Performance_Indicators/Major/Mj05.pdf</a></p>
<p>Accepted stats are always higher than enrolled. Neither UCF’s accepted nor enrolled stats have ever been better than Florida States.</p>
<p>FSU’s enrolled GPA for the same period is reflected in this pdf: <a href=“http://www.ir.fsu.edu/Performance_Indicators/Student/S03.pdf[/url]”>http://www.ir.fsu.edu/Performance_Indicators/Student/S03.pdf</a></p>
<p>Both colleges’ statistics used were their “incoming,” or enrolled statistics. I gave both colleges a fair showing, and used the statistics available on the admissions websites.</p>
<p>Remember that for FSU’s stats I converted a mid 50% range to an average, so that would account for the very small discrepancy between the FSU stats I posted and yours.</p>
<p>Please post the UCF page where it says the numbers are for enrolled students.</p>
<p>The profile of their Freshman class:</p>
<p>[Facts</a> About UCF](<a href=“http://www.iroffice.ucf.edu/character/current.html#freshmen_profile]Facts”>http://www.iroffice.ucf.edu/character/current.html#freshmen_profile)</p>
<p>Also here:</p>
<p>[Freshmen</a> Profile](<a href=“University of Central Florida | Undergraduate Admissions”>University of Central Florida | Undergraduate Admissions)</p>
<p>Neither UCF site says the SAT or GPA reflect enrolled students.</p>
<p>The FSU SAT page I posted, however, says this:
The Average SAT Score is all students entering in the Fall semester including those admitted under the alternative admissions program.
Source: Admissions Files</p>
<p>Many universities post “accepted” or “preliminary” data in order to plump their market presentation. FSU’s similar page is here: <a href=“http://fsu.edu/students/[/url]”>http://fsu.edu/students/</a> (the data is old - from 2006). UF’s page is here: <a href=“http://www.ufl.edu/facts/[/url]”>http://www.ufl.edu/facts/</a></p>
<p>For UCF the link is:
[UCF</a> - Common Data Set 2007-08](<a href=“http://www.iroffice.ucf.edu/commondataset/commondataset07/commondataset07.html]UCF”>http://www.iroffice.ucf.edu/commondataset/commondataset07/commondataset07.html)
For FSU:
<a href=“http://www.ir.fsu.edu/Common_Data_Set/2007-08/C.html[/url]”>http://www.ir.fsu.edu/Common_Data_Set/2007-08/C.html</a></p>
<p>It appears to be for ENROLLED students 25%-75%
FSU 1090-1270
UCF 1070-1260</p>
<p>Seems negligible. Therefore go where you will be the happiest.</p>
<p>FSU is still the stronger school, however. Outside of engineering UCF doesn’t have any programs worth a damn.</p>
<p>Ladistar is correct. I have been trying to same thing with a more moderate tone this whole time.</p>
<p>Well, what makes FSU so much better? I see you saying it, but not explaining why.</p>
<p>if i hadn’t gotten into UF i would have gone to UCF… but then again thats because i want to major in engineering. i must say though, not that its a main point in college decisions, but fsu has an extremely beautiful campus. my brother goes there and i was suprised.</p>
<p>“Well, what makes FSU so much better? I see you saying it, but not explaining why.”</p>
<ol>
<li>FSU has a larger endowment</li>
<li>Stronger Alumni base</li>
<li>More highly regarded graduate programs</li>
<li>A stronger athletic program</li>
<li>A more collegial experience</li>
</ol>
<p>This is what you posted on the first page, and I think some of these are more opinion based. (3 and 5)</p>
<p>Last time I checked, FSU wasn’t terribly reputable for its graduate students either. Also, both colleges offer a collegial experience. The rumors that UCF is still primarily a commuter school are based on the fact that the university has a surplus of parking, which is really only the result of excellent university planning. After all, it was planned so elegantly that the campus is a circle!</p>
<p>Here’s a list of ranked programs at FSU: [FSU</a> Highlights](<a href=“http://fsu.edu/highlights/rankings.html]FSU”>Rankings | Florida State University)</p>
<p>FSU has more ranked programs than the University of Miami. UCF doesn’t. This is not mere opinion. There’s no contest. The faculty-student ratio at FSU is also much more favorable than UCF (FSU: 21.3 to 1; UF: 21.7 to 1; UCF: 28.8 to 1). This article rogracer published says it all: [Faculty</a> union chief: UCF far behind Florida competitors in quality – Teaching and Learning, Florida, New York Times – OrlandoSentinel.com](<a href=“http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/opinion/views/orl-ucf2108mar21,0,4376109.story]Faculty”>http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/opinion/views/orl-ucf2108mar21,0,4376109.story)</p>
<p>*“Faculty union chief: UCF far behind Florida competitors in quality”</p>
<p>We’re No. 1! The New York Times recently ranked the University of Central Florida as No. 1 on its list of student/faculty ratios at 28/1 for public universities. Before we celebrate with “the bounce,” taxpayers and legislators might take a closer look at what this ranking really means.</p>
<p>UCF’s No. 1 goal, according to President John Hitt, is to “offer the best undergraduate education available in Florida.” However, the numbers do not support that contention. In fact, if we compare our major state university competitors, we can see how UCF’s president and Board of Trustees have chosen to offer the “worst” undergraduate education in the state of Florida and the nation.</p>
<p>According to The New York Times, whose report is based on information provided by UCF’s own Office of Institutional Research, undergraduate students have the fewest number of faculty to educate them – by a large margin. And class size, which affects student access to faculty, does impact students’ quality of education. According to a SUNY-Binghamton study of 395,000 students from a medium-sized, highly selective public-research university, grade-point averages decline as class size increases.</p>
<p>For every three faculty at UCF, the University of Florida and Florida State University provide four faculty to educate their students. For every two faculty at UCF, the University of South Florida and Florida Atlantic University provide three faculty to educate their students. How and why has UCF failed to keep pace not only with the nation but with other state-funded universities in Florida?*</p>
<p>FSU is a traditional residential university, not a commuter school trying to lose that character. UCF has 16 different campuses, not primarily one.</p>
<p>If you want to attend UCF more power to you.</p>
<p>I hate to break it to you dvm, but you just got owned.</p>
<p>Opinions and facts are two very different things. That newspaper article pretty much smashed your whole argument.</p>
<p>With that said, you’ll be fine at UCF.</p>
<p>DVM - click on the link to that article that is mentioned above and read the comments that are connected to it. The article is written by a union chief with his own agenda. There are many terrific programs at UCF. Great things are happening there. They have the largest number of on-campus and affiliated student housing in the state. Which blows the whole “communter school” rumor.</p>
<p>It’s not a rumor. UCF started out as a commuter school, has the essential character of a commuter school (16 different campuses) and is trying to appeal to students wanting a more traditional setting by building dorms and a football stadium.</p>
<p>USF is the same, except they have yet to build their own football stadium.</p>
<p>Why there is any question about a “directional” (this means the character of the school is regional, as opposed to “state” (e.g. Florida STATE U or U of FLORIDA)) and has a map direction in their name, e.g U of CENTRAL Florida, U of SOUTH Florida, U of WEST Florida) competing with the oldest university is surprising.</p>
<p>Regardless, good luck at UCF.</p>
<p>Good thing the folks in California don’t have a problem with schools with map directions in their names:
UCLA
USC
UC-Berkeley
etc., etc.
True, UCF started as a commuter school, but I thought we were discussing current times. I can only speak from the observations of my daughter who has had a great college experience at UCF - lots of on campus activities…plenty of people around on the weekends, etc.</p>
<p>University of Orlando, perhaps?</p>
<p>I don’t even know why USF is called University of South Florida - it’s on the gulf coast and isn’t even situated towards the southern end of the state anyways. You can’t call it University of Tampa because there’s already a private college by that name, so - yeah. Can’t call it FGCU, that’s taken as well. I’m out of ideas, any others?.</p>
<p>Look dude, if you’ve read any of my other posts regarding FSU, I don’t exactly have the most esteemed opinions of the school or the people there. But even I have to admit that FSU>>>UCF in nearly every way outside of engineering. UCF is what it is: A decent state school that’s trying to desperately revert its image. It’s pretty much become a rankings whore by accepting high SAT/GPA to increase its placement on the USNews list. </p>
<p>I think FSU has been doing the same thing over the past few years and it still has some ways to go, but it’s already ahead in resources and academic standing. If there’s a school in the state that compete with UF then it’s definitely FSU. I think it already does in many ways, but the USNews rankings have really tarnished its reputation in recent years. A lot of high school students simply look at #49 vs. #112 and make their decision off that. Therefore a lot of schools in FSU’s position have started becoming stat-oriented in recent years to mollify their less-than-stellar rankings. </p>
<p>Needless to say, FSU is still a more reputable institution than that of UCF. I really don’t feel the need to research and post a convincing argument since it’s already been done but I can probably tell you from anecdotal evidence alone that the average FSU grad in any given field will have better exit opps and starting salary than their Orlando counterparts. Long-term potential is a completely different story because it’s all up to the individual in that case. But in terms of job and graduate school placement, it’s a stronger school in just about every way outside of engineering. I’ll be the first to admit that the FSU-FAMU engineering school is a joke of epic proportions and needs to be razed to the ground and rebuilt.</p>