To those who feel that a top-tier college education is the only route to success

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<p>How true :)</p>

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<p>I posted this link to Bloomberg's article on another thread, but it bears repeating here. The school that ties with Harvard for the most CEO's is--- the U of Wisconsin. Other CEO's and their University affiliations are listed.
<a href="http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/new...id=aIMI5Fx8d9sM%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/new...id=aIMI5Fx8d9sM&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<h2> I don't think this link is currently working Here. Not sure why.The working one is in the "Most expensive Colleges" thread. Sorry. The url is identical. I'm confused....</h2>

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<li>Of course. How simple. Now all they have to do is double or triple their faculties, graduate assistants, dorms, teaching and research facilities, recreational buildings, and budgets.</li>
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<p>Hard to see why no one thought of this before...</p>

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<p>Yeah Cheney is definitely not a Yale grad.</p>

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<p>"Success" is not determined by university but by the individual and people who are successful enough at high school to get into an ivy (obviously people who got in coz of contacts are excluded) can extend that success into adulthood. Although a lot of people are gravely mislead thinking that just by getting into an ivy that the rest of their lives are paved out perfectly, I'm sure that even more people want to get into good universities because they love learning and the whole scholarly thing or they want to have a good 4 years debating and competing against people of equally academic calibre. It's about forming opinions and learning how to back them up, becoming an independent thinker and doer. University is not about finding "success" in the rest of one's life, but about becoming the person you will be for the rest of that life.
Anyway success is completely subjective. People here have only mentioned sucess in terms of fame, power and wealth. If in 20 years time I'm doing a job I love and have had no serious regrets about life then I will consider myself successful.</p>

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<p>Don't forget the sheer number of graduates from state universities and community colleges will result in the higher likelihood of many who go on to do great things. Ohio State, UTexas, and U.Wisc. graduate far more than the Ivy's, so of course they will have their share of successful graduates. There are always stories of Ivy Graduates who do not do well, just as there are State U. graduates who excel. I would be more interested in the percentage of graduates from state schools vs. the percentage from elite schools who become accomplished in life (however "success" is defined). My unsubstantiated guess is that there are more successful graduates from the Elites (based on percentages). But then again, the average education (and background and wealth) of the students entering are probably also higher as well.</p>

<p>We have the same discussion locally about an elite boys high school. Of course they graduate a large number of "successful" students. They also accept a large number of successful students from families of doctors, lawyers, and CEO's. Education and opportunities (and connections) are important in these families to begin with. I think it unfair to assume the school is the cause for much of their success, and I am convinced that the connections made and their family backgrounds are far more influential. Many of the elite schools, of course, further foster those "connections".</p>

<p>I totally agree w/ Marines920: "It depends on the field you're interested in". I don't think and IVY education matters as much for someone who is interested in accounting or education. For someone interested in national affairs (politics, finances, etc.), the connections made at Ivy's could make a substantial difference.</p>

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We have the same discussion locally about an elite boys high school. Of course they graduate a large number of "successful" students. They also accept a large number of successful students from families of doctors, lawyers, and CEO's. Education and opportunities (and connections) are important in these families to begin with. I think it unfair to assume the school is the cause for much of their success, and I am convinced that the connections made and their family backgrounds are far more influential. Many of the elite schools, of course, further foster those "connections".

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<p>kjofkw, you hit the nail on the head!</p>

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<p>Cym, Is that Bloomberg list only universities? Because there are a few liberal arts schools that have a large portion of CEO's. Examples: Claremont McKenna, College of Wooster, Wabash.</p>

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<p>College of Wooster, are you serious?</p>

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<p>My IHUM professor at Stanford said Condoleza Rice was a lesbian. He said it in the lecture, and when I talked other faculty about it they said she had a woman which she introduced to other people as her "partner." They went to football games together.</p>

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<p>This has to be one of the worst conversations on here. Honestly, there is no way that every single Ivy grad will be successful. It just is impossible to have that happen. Yes quite often you will find the Ivy people thinking they are on top of the world including all other inferior colleges or less selective colleges. Don't mind them because once they graduate they all will come around and realize that the Ivy path doesn't always lead to the money.</p>

<p>There chances are not even higher. We know studies show that the state or other private school grad will make just as much money as the Ivy one later down the road.</p>

<p>Yes there are exceptions but c'mon Bill Gates is ridiculously smart. To come up with an idea and be that successful is probably not going to happen by another person for quite a while.</p>

<p>Other then that you see more state and private school grads serving as Fortune 500 CEO's then from the Ivy league. That is only one aspect of it.</p>

<p>Don't mind the geniuses on here who think they are better then everyone else even if they are not on here if you know one of them and they treat you like junk because they go to an Ivy they will come around. Talk to them after they graduate and are job hunting. They will learn then or talk to them when they are trying to work up the corporate ladder and are counting the number of years they have to go before they get to the front office.</p>

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<p>Great post, Kjofkw. People should read it again.</p>

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<p>rooster08 -
so what?</p>

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<p>Carolyn-
The Bloomberg article addresses university grads, but also very successful dropouts (ie Bill Gates, etc). There is a separate thread on CC that has a great list of successful colks from LACs. The article also addresses that belief that most Ivy grads were there by family connection. It is a great article- I encourage all of you to read it. I'll try one more time to attach the link <a href="http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=nifea&&sid=aIMI5Fx8d9sM%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=nifea&&sid=aIMI5Fx8d9sM&lt;/a> .</p>

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<p>Li Ka Shing, the richest man in asia has not even completed junior high school. At the age of 14, he started his business with $6,000 by selling off every thing he owned and borrowing from others; and now he's 75 year old, and ranked 19th with 12.4 billion net-worth(in fact, he controlls asset of $60 billion, roads, ports, phone companies, oil companies, hotels, transportation, etc.)on Forbe's world's richest list. What's even more amazing about Li Ka Shing is that, his sons(not sure if both of his sons) went to Stanford(might be dropped off, because of interest of business in 1990's IT boom). And his sons don't appear endurable in the world of business, one of them hit big at late 1990s with multi-billion stock value(however, he started his business with $30 million from his dad), soon his stock fortune shivered and still hasn't make his way back up in four years. </p>

<p>*$ is in U.S. dollars</p>

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<p>editeditedit</p>

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<p>It often refers to the chief administrator of a school. It can ironically also mean a prison keeper.</p>

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<p>IMHO, this is a ridiculous argument.</p>

<p>It may be that there are a high number of people who make lots of money who never go to college at all. So what?! Maybe a large number went to community college and no further. So What?! Would that make an argument for not going to a good university?
Is the mark of a good college education revealed by how many CEOs said college produces? Get real. What kind of a jack*** uses this criterion to make a college choice.... "more CEOs huh, I'm in!"</p>

<p>I made my choice without thinking about having to have more money than anybody else at any other school. If the quickest way to a buck is your criteria when you’re making choices your junior year in high-school, surely dealing drugs would be even more profitable if somewhat more risky.</p>

<p>A lot of people choose their college based on the experience that college will likely give, not how far ahead of everyone else the school will take them. I’d like to go to Dartmouth. Not because it’s going to make my status higher than others but because the school represents my idea of a great college—which is not limited to how much cash I’ll have latter in life, or how much better I’ll be than someone else who went to another school.</p>

<p>The Ivy league schools are, in general, very traditional schools. People who like traditional schools tend to like them, so do some status seekers. No college student body is monolithically one type of person. </p>

<p>How many CEOs?!
How about how many angels on the head of a pinhead?</p>

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<p>Dick Cheney failed out and spent his years at U of Wyoming. I just watched a special on him recently, lol.<br>
Anyways, he got active in politics early and yale def. had nothing to do w/ his success.</p>

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<p>Yea. Dick Cheney went to University of Wyoming, since he grew up in Casper. Look how he turned out.</p>

<p>But I believe that a top tier education will help you get connections many times, but if you have the enthusiam and will, you can become great without a top tier college.</p>