Too Many Reaches? (CS)

@yikesyikesyikes Thinking about removing UMich due to its low OOS acceptance rate. The same goes with UVA.

What you really need to focus on is finding safeties that you like and will certainly be able to afford, unless you are satisfied with starting at community college if you get shut out of your list of four year schools.

My daughter just graduated from the University of Richmond with a double major in CS and Biochemistry. She liked the CS program with small class size, and lots of close interaction with professors. She loved her 4 years at UR. UR has approx. There are many Asian students, both international and domestic.

UR also has lots of opportunities to do research with professors, starting freshman year. My D also had paid summer internships on campus.

@ucbalumnus I’ve rethought this and have decided to give UC’s a shot. I’ve also included UW, Purdue, and UMass. Any other safeties I should consider?

@mamag2855 Interesting, I’ve heard there were very few Asians at UR (5%) and in Richmond (1%). I actually took it off my list for these reasons.

@juko10

Well, what reaches are you keeping? :stuck_out_tongue:

@yikesyikesyikes I really really liked UMich and I might put it back in if you could change my mind. The OOS is just really really low unfortunately. I’m keeping Washu, Tufts, maybe USC, Emory, and Wesleyan.

@juko10

Alright - it’s your list, go with the schools you think are best for you!

I would keep some good CS schools on your reach list.

Whatever you choose to do, good luck!

@yikesyikesyikes Ah, I put UMich back on my list. It’s too good to pass. Although it is a reach for me. Do you have any remarks about UVA or any of the colleges on my list? Thanks for you input!

UVA is a great school overall - it is a direct peer with Michigan. However, Michigan does have the significant upper hand for Computer Science. UVA beats Michigan for out-of-state financial aid. It is also my understanding that UVA has a significantly lower percentage of out-of-state/international students. Michigan has the best CS program on your list.

What is your unweighted GPA? Are there particular subjects that were chronic strengths/weaknesses? Have you considered SAT subject tests?

Most publics will offer poor fin aid to OOS.

“diversity (10% Asian would be nice)”

With this criterion, you are actually seeking schools that are less diverse than the American population as a whole (5.6% Asian). In the process, you might also be eliminating colleges that would be academically and socially suitable for you.

Will you be including UCM, UCR, and UCSC in your UC application?

Which UW? If you have substantial financial need, it is unlikely that any of UW (except maybe if it is Wyoming, whose out-of-state list price is relatively low), Purdue, or UMass will be affordable. Also, if UW is Washington, it is not a safety for direct admission to the CS major.

Have you run the net price calculator on each school’s web site?

@merc81

That is not choosing schools that are “less diverse than the American population as a whole”.

The non-Hispanic/Latino White population is about 62.6% of the total US population. Schools with 10+% Asian, with other minorities in high %s as well are MORE diverse than the overall US population - and that is something that the OP clearly desires.

UR has approximately 6% of its students who identify as Asian. Additionally, it has approximately 10% international students, some of whom are Asian. There may be a few more won’t don’t identify race. Perhaps that is not enough for you to feel comfortable, but there is definitely as Asian presence on the UR campus. Both my older daughter, who just graduated, and also my middle daughter who is a rising junior at UR have Asian friends and have worked with Asian students in the lab. CS at a LAC is different than at a large research Uni, since they are smaller and offer fewer classes(but great advising which will help you schedule what you need), but it may be short sighted to eliminate them all from your list.

A smaller school like UR (approx. 3300 undergrads total), can offer significant benefits in terms of smaller class sizes, close interaction with professors and fantastic opportunities for research. Both of my daughters were able to start working in labs during their freshman years, and that often leads to published research at UR, and also great recommendation letters down the road, because your professors know you really well. Close to 90% of students live on campus all 4 years (they have really nice apartments for upperclassmen), so there is a great sense of community among the students.

My older D also spent a semester abroad at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland and still graduated in 4 years. Apprx. 60% of UR students travel abroad, if that experience is important to you. I am not trying to bash large research Unis. I attended one myself, back in the dark ages, and loved it. Big Unis will offer more CS courses, probably have flashier labs and equipment, more prominent researchers/projects, but a LAC could give you opportunities as an undergrad that are harder to come by at a big Uni.

Another big state Uni you might want to look at as a safety is George Mason University in Fairfax VA, a VA public just outside of DC. They have 19% Asian students, and the DC area in general has many Asian families. It is usually overshadowed by UVA and VTech in VA, but has good science programs in general, and there seems to be a lot investment in the campus in recent years. Your current stats would put you in the top 25% and they might offer you some merit aid, not sure what your budget is.

@yikesyikesyikes : Diversity as defined by ethnicity is diminished by the overrepresentation of a particular group. This shouldn’t require a lengthy explanation – or a discussion of diversity in general – as it relates, essentially in a mathematical sense, to the definition of diversity itself. The sub-statistic for the percentage of Asian college students, in contrast to that of the U.S. population in general, would be worth isolating for a meaningful basis of comparison, however.

@merc81

You are basing your representation on the US population alone, when you should really be basing your representation on the world population. That is where you and I detract.

Some giant publics actually have tremendous study-abroad options these days. But I digress.

@ucbalumnus University of Washington is quite competitive for direct admission for CS, but I will still put it on my list. I am putting UCR and UCSC as well as UCSD, UCLA, UCSD, UCSB, and UCB.

@mamag2855 Thank you for your input. I am still researching more into UR, but I’m not sure I would fit in that city. Although the academics there is great and I would have more opportunities there than other public colleges, I’m not sure I would enjoy the social life there.

@PurpleTitan UVA and UMich offer generous financial aid. Those are basically my only public schools.

@yikesyikesyikes My unweighted GPA is 3.6-3.7 with 800 on SAT Math II. I’m probably going to drop UVA and add UMich and UIUC.

@ucbalumnus Would I still need UC safeties if I already have a few on my Common App? I would not be happy at UCSC or UCR, so what is the point of applying and wasting money? I’m sure I’ll get accepted into one of my matches so I see no point in adding so many safeties that I more than likely would not need.