<p>Columbia below Hopkins? MIT, Oxford, and Cambridge below Penn? Wha???? CNI, you should get out of your parents' basement a little more often.</p>
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<p>LOL! You are a funny guy, TourGuide. But why not just shave it all off if that's the reason? ;)</p>
<p>Well, Marines do shave it all off smarty :-) bootcamp style.</p>
<p>^not the ones I saw in DC near the Marine Barracks.</p>
<p>CNI wrote: "How many people pick Cal Tech over Stanford or Yale?"</p>
<p>Are you serious? At least 75%. Assuming the applicant is brilliant and wants to pursue physical sciences and possibly engineering with equally brilliant students, there is no peer to Caltech at the undergraduate level.</p>
<p>I can't think of any reason a brilliant budding scientist would choose Stanford or Yale over Caltech. MIT maybe, but for different reasons.</p>
<p>i would pick stanford over caltech anyday.</p>
<p>caltech might be THE hardest school to get into, but it's not worth it. caltech is not a good feeder school to any professional schools (med, law, etc)</p>
<p>it's only strong dominance then, is within engineering territory..and even then, i don't think it has that much of an edge over stanford. </p>
<p>i really can't think of any reason to pick caltech over stanford.</p>
<p>and heck yeah, im an engineer.</p>
<p>edit: I just looked up the Yale/Caltech X-admit prediction, and it is 66%.</p>
<p>In any case, Caltech is preferred over Yale overall. And I would guess by a huge margin by science oriented students, but that is not shown in the study.</p>
<p>xjis ... no budding brilliant scientist in his right mind would care about Caltech's feeding performance into Law, Medicine, or MBA.</p>
<p>I take it you're not a budding brilliant scientist? A true scientist would rather toil aware in poverty than stoop down to law, medicine or business.</p>
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<p>not everyone wants to become a "brilliant scientist" (by which means to remain in the academia). most students will get a job after graduation whether as an engineer or not. </p>
<p>and to summarize what i basically said:</p>
<p>engineering - no particular difference between the two
non-engineering - stanford hands-down.</p>
<p>now, why the heck would you choose caltech over stanford, DunninLA?</p>
<p>DunninLA- I think I phrased my point a little poorly. I think the reason that Caltech would have any sort of advantage in cross admits among yale/Stanford applicants is that there's really heavy self-selection among those who apply to Cal Tech in the first place (maybe moreso than any other school). I don't know where you're getting a number like 75%, and while Cal Tech may have an advantage against Yale, I don't see much of an advantage against Stanford, a school with more laymen prestige, similar academic strengths, and much more diverse exit ops. </p>
<p>My point is that Cal Tech doesn't belong in what tourguide calls "HMCtch" or however he spelled it. First of all, who actually says HMCtch? ***? </p>
<p>There's a reason that HYPSM is such a common acronym. It's because those are the five schools with the most prestige, and it's just silly to argue that Cal tech has more prestige than Stanford or Yale.</p>
<p>What is Cal Tech's yield anyway? I know a girl who turned down a full-ride there for no$ at Harvard (she did want to study engineering at the time) just bc. Cal Tech was 1) too nerdy and 2) too academically focused. I'm sure there are more people like that.</p>
<p>CNI... did you read the revealed preference link?</p>
<p>The revealed preference data had Harvard, Yale and Stanford, in that order, preferred by Caltech admits, but no others preferred over Caltech.
Caltech very closely topped MIT.</p>
<p>See page 29.</p>
<p>haha- I'm not gonna waste my time reading 50 pages, but you can clearly see that study is completely skewed toward CTech-nice try at making a point. Just look at some of the tables there-</p>
<p>p.46- how in the world is Cal Tech the #2 in "regional preference of college rankings"- ACROSS THE ENTIRE country? You really think Cal Tech wins over yale in the NE? Over Duke in the South? Hell, people in the south haven't even heard of Cal tech. I also find it hard to believe that Stanford beats out Princeton among New England students.</p>
<p>This is based on a combination of US News, CB statistics, and my opinion. (Mostly the latter. . . . I like making lists :) )</p>
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<li>Cambridge/Oxford (don't know enough to differentiate between the two)</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Cal Tech</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Duke</li>
<li>University of Pennsylvania</li>
<li>University of Chicago</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
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<p>Most employers only care that you "got the degree", but something tells me that the list in another thread of top feeder schools to graduate school programs has something to do with "prestige".</p>
<p>I found this in another thread. It really all depends what part of the country you're from. This is token adult's list of noteworthy colleges. I'm sure your "top 15" vary from place to place. In my opinion, the education you get from a certain place could be the very same thing you get from somewhere less well-known. I guess overall impressions of certain institutions vary based on people and location. I'm sure that if you went anywhere on the list below, an employer probably wouldn't second guess your credentials:</p>
<p>Noteable List of "Reach" schools for most students:</p>
<p>Amherst College (MA) **
Barnard College (NY) **
Bates College (ME) **
Boston College (MA) **
Bowdoin College (ME) **
Brandeis University (MA) **
Brown University (RI) **
California Institute of Technology (CA) /PBK, WM **
Carleton College (MN) **
Carnegie Mellon University (PA) **
Case Western Reserve University (OH) **
Claremont McKenna College (CA) **
Colby College (ME) **
Colgate University (NY) **
College of New Jersey (NJ) /WM, CR **
College of William and Mary (VA) **
College of the Holy Cross (MA) **
Columbia University: Columbia College (NY) **
Connecticut College (CT) **
Cooper Union (NY) /PBK, WM **
Cornell University (NY) **
Dartmouth College (NH) **
Davidson College (NC) **
Duke University (NC) **
Emory University (GA) **
George Washington University (DC) **
Georgetown University (DC) **
Hamilton College (NY) **
Harvard University (MA) **
Harvey Mudd College (CA) /NW, PBK **
Haverford College (PA) **
Johns Hopkins University (MD) **
Kenyon College (OH) **
Lafayette College (PA) **
Macalester College (MN) **
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MA) **
Middlebury College (VT) **
New York University (NY) **
Northwestern University (IL) **
Oberlin College (OH) **
Occidental College (CA) **
Pomona College (CA) **
Princeton University (NJ) **
Reed College (OR) **
Rice University (TX) **
Scripps College (CA) /WM **
Smith College (MA) **
Stanford University (CA) **
Swarthmore College (PA) **
Tufts University (MA) /WM **
Tulane University (LA) /WM **
United States Military Academy (NY) /Fiske, NW, PBK, WM **
United States Naval Academy (MD) /Fiske, PBK, WM **
University of California: Berkeley (CA) **
University of California: Los Angeles (CA) **
University of Chicago (IL) **
University of Miami (FL) /PBK, WM, CR **
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (NC) **
University of Notre Dame (IN) **
University of Pennsylvania (PA) **
University of Pittsburgh (PA) /CR
University of Richmond (VA) /CR **
University of Rochester (NY) /PR **
University of Southern California (CA) **
University of Virginia (VA) **
Vanderbilt University (TN) **
Vassar College (NY) **
Wake Forest University (NC) /WM **
Washington University in St. Louis (MO) **
Washington and Lee University (VA) **
Wellesley College (MA) **
Wesleyan University (CT) **
Williams College (MA) **
Yale University (CT) **</p>
<p>That list is lacking some academic powers...GWU, but no Wisconsin? U of Miami, but no UCSD?</p>
<p>CNI -- I hope you don't make a habit of disrespecting scholarly work so offhandedly when you get to college... :(</p>
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What is Cal Tech's yield anyway? I know a girl who turned down a full-ride there for no$ at Harvard (she did want to study engineering at the time) just bc. Cal Tech was 1) too nerdy and 2) too academically focused. I'm sure there are more people like that.
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<p>How did someone get absolutely no money from Harvard and a full ride at Caltech?</p>
<p>it's tragic that a thread about college prestige has 701 posts.</p>