"Top student" at a 3rd tier school... Four years later

<p>I fully expect to get flammed for this, but I figured it might be helpful to some current HS seniors as they make their decision. </p>

<p>I was, I guess, a "top" high school student (4.0 UW GPA, 13 APs, 33 ACT, good ECs, a "psuedo" hook--depends on who you ask, etc) and chose to attend an OOS third tier flagship on substantial merit aid (four years, including a couple of summer courses and 3.5 years of sorority dues, cost about $30k total). </p>

<p>Money was obviously a big factor in my choice--my family could have probably paid just under half the cost of a full-pay private, but it would have been a struggle, and my family and I are money conscious/debt-averse), but I also generally liked the campus when I visited. I turned down: a top 50 school with 75%-ish tuition merit, a top public with small merit, a guaranteed admit to a professional program with a merit award covering full tuition through all six years of the program, a small private U with decent merit (25% of COA I don't quite remember), a decently ranked public with small merit, and a good regional LAC with half-tuition merit. I didn't apply to any elite schools--this was the year before the creation of the middle class FA initiatives of Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Williams, etc., and I was explicitly hunting for merit aid.</p>

<p>Four years (and a change of major ;)) later, I applied to PhD programs. I received interviews at all but of the two schools I applied to and ended up with three acceptances I was really excited about (and one I was honestly a bit more "meh" about) and ended up deciding between one of the top ranked/most selective programs in my field (with a competitive fellowship offer) and another very good program with an incredible GAship/fellowship offer (both in terms of money and professional/academic opportunities). When I was making my decision, I emailed the editor of the premiere journal in my particular area of interest, who is faculty at another program in the same department, asking if he would be open to working with a student from another program. To my surprise, he not only said yes but also said that he was impressed by the research coming out of my university. :) </p>

<p>I think my undergrad institution did a lot to prepare me for grad school--I a good deal of teaching, research, and clinical experience. Among other things, have been published and presented at national conferences and feel well-prepared for grad school. I did very well on the Subject GRE in my field with very minimal prep, so I clearly learned something in my time here ;) . I made excellent, ambitious, incredibly kind, intelligent friends. All four years weren't perfect, of course, but I can say my "third tier" education did me well and was far from the unstimulating, anti-intellectual environment I feared it would be. In fact, it was pretty much the opposite. </p>

<p>So, I went to a third tier school. I was challenged and happy. And next year, I'll be heading off to a very good PhD program, fully funded, with the chance to work for a top person in my field. </p>

<p>The point of this post is not arrogance but simply to show that a student, including a "top" student, can have an enjoyable experience and successful grad school admissions outcome coming from a (gasp!) third tier school.</p>

<p>You know who needs to see this? Not so much parents, but the kids over at College Search and Selection and Financial Aid and Scholarships who are seriously considering going over $100,000 in debt just to have a shot at maybe going to Law school or med school, insisting that there is no way they can get into a decent grad school unless they go to to the most expensive school in their list. Your story probably accounts for the vast majority of the students who go to “third-tier” schools; a lot of kids seem to assume that the US News rankings are match up to real life (ie, people who go to first tier schools get first-tier lives, people who go to third tier schools get third tier lives of drudgery and boredom) and it’s important for them to know that this just ain’t so.</p>

<p>I don’t understand why anyone should flame you. To me this comes out as a lovely story that can provide great guidance for a lot of people.</p>

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<p>Absolutely. Thank you for sharing your story.</p>

<p>You have every right to be proud and to share your story! Cograts, as has been said before, psych!!</p>

<p>psych… (hard to type those letters without automatically putting an O at the end). That sounds so much like my son’s story (top HS student, 3rd tier public OOS with a ton of merit money, great education, success), and reaffirms the fact that it’s not the school which defines who you’re going to be, but you as a person.</p>

<p>Similar thing happened to a close friend’s D. I wish folks would realize that this is not all that unusual and a great education can be obtained at many many schools. Thank you psych_ for posting your story. And Congratulations!</p>

<p>wow, great story! thanks for telling it, it is very affirming for those of us with just starting the college journey with similar plans.</p>

<p>psych_, so the decision is made, huh? You’ve done very well for yourself. I wish you every success in your program. It’s kinda great when it works out, isn’t it? </p>

<p>One thing I want don’t want folks to overlook. Her choice 4 years ago may have allowed her , financially, to have the choices she had now. I don’t know all the particulars but a more expensive choice then might have limited her choices now …but psych_ can specifically confirm/deny that. All I came here to say was …
congratulations.</p>

<p>This is a big thank you for posting. My son is not quite a top performer in HS, he could be but has the procrastinator gene… :)</p>

<p>He has been accepted into several schools but has decided to attend a 3rd tier school because of the merit money. He will owe a little bit at the end of 4 years but not as much as he would have if he decided to attend one of his other picks.</p>

<p>As a parent who surfs through this website and reads about all the over acheivers, it’s easy to lose sight of what is important- getting a good education and then going on from there. I think it’s more of …what you do with what you have type thing.</p>

<p>So thank you for quelling my fears- should he pay more for a tier 1 or 2 school? No. He will thrive at the school he has chosen and not go into insurmountable debt in order to do so.</p>

<p>Congratulations to you!</p>

<p>thanks for posting psych! i really needed to read that today …feeling guilt over upcoming decision (not our fault but thats another story) but will say that the school it looks like son will be going to is excellent, programs great and merit money wonderful, even if so called “tier 3” … and hopefully 4 years later he will have the same story to tell</p>

<p>Thanks for the great story!</p>

<p>I love your post and have loved your journey as you have shared it with us on here. It’s very inspiring, and yes, you should post it where the teens can see it for themselves. </p>

<p>I and spouse had very similar experiences, as did many in my PhD class…but it’s not seen as valid when it’s 20 year old data! </p>

<p>Congratulations to you and tell us how the grad school experience goes for you!</p>

<p>Hey, great work! I hope you continue to enjoy your studies.</p>

<p>I hope you don’t mind, but I put a link in the “Taking a Gap Year, Disappointing Admission Results,” thread…because the student over there could use a little encouragement. Again, good luck to you.</p>

<p>To chime in. </p>

<p>d1 applied to 12 schools four years ago, and got accepted to all 12 with partial to full tuition scholarships to 8. She choose full tuition at Baylor over Duke, UNC CHapel Hill, UCLA among others. Because of her scholarship, she has spent 1 year studying abroad ( one semester jr year in Madrid, and just finishing this semester in Maastricht) with us only having to pay for housing and airfare there and back. D1 majored in history, with a double minor in computer science and math, and wants to teach elementary school. She has been accepted to the “Teach for America” program and will train in Phoenix this summer and then start teaching this fall in Tulsa. I don’t see that she would have necessarily done any better at UCLA /Duke/UNC CHapel – and we have saved a lot of money that can now go to other things … . .or pay for college education for younger siblings down the road.</p>

<p>I think college is what you make of it. D2 DID choose UCLA. She applied to nine schools and got in to all 9 with scholarships for about 6-7. She is now a UCLA sophomore and has a 3.85 GPA, double majoring in history/sociology. She just landed a summer internship for a local politician and just had an interview this week for a tutoring job at UCLA this fall. School is what you make of it. </p>

<p>D3, a high school senior, and I fly to alabama tomorrow to see Univ of Alabama and Clemson. She applied to 12 schools, got accepted to 11 and waitlisted to UVA. We will see if she chooses a “Merit Aid” school or UCLA. </p>

<p>Top students will do well at whatever school they choose. . .its a matter of fit and choice and money available for college. Don’t be afraid to choose the lower tiered school with scholarships if that is a good fit for you.</p>

<p>OP, such a good story! My neighbor’s kid went to William and Mary, and is now at Yale, a fully funded doctoral student. I know, W&M is not 3rd tier, but it’s no Duke or Vandy!</p>

<p>congrats!!! You deserve it!!! :)</p>

<p>However, I’m not at all surprised! </p>

<p>On Friday, I sat through the awards presentations at my kids’ mid tier flagship. When graduating seniors were given awards, their dept heads also mentioned where they would be going to grad, med, law, business schools. They were all going to top elite schools - Ivies, MIT, Berkeley, Stanford, etc… Only one was going to a school I had never heard of, but I presume it is “known” for the student’s major because the dept head was very enthusiastic about it. </p>

<p>So…OP…you’ve proven what many of us have been saying all along. You can get into top grad schools without having to go to an elite undergrad. </p>

<p>Congrats and best wishes!!! You’ve earned it!</p>

<p>Research suggests that it’s not the school but the kid. As in, kids who get into prestigious schools but can’t go do as well monetarily as kids who went to the prestigious schools. </p>

<p>If a kid does well at a reputable school, apart from the over-blown rankings nonsense, and has the capacity to do well on standardized tests like LSAT, MCAT, GRE, etc. then that kid will get into good grad schools. As has been stated a gazillion times, kids from prestige schools scored higher to get in and the system rewards high scoring for grad school so they are more likely to score high, etc. </p>

<p>I find a few things quite funny in a sad way:</p>

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<li><p>The minute distinctions people draw that don’t matter at all. Like the relative prestige or quality of education at Yale versus Princeton or between schools ranked 32 and 44. </p></li>
<li><p>The weird idea that getting into undergrad then becomes a ticket to the next level. No, it isn’t. It’s an indicator that says you have the capability to perform at this level. You still have to get grades and test well. You can do that at a lesser prestige school but the reality is that kids there aren’t as likely to score well. If you can, then you can.</p></li>
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<p>OP, this is my favorite story of all the stories I have read on CC. This should be posted in where the kids can see it.</p>

<p>lergnom–(mongrel! :wink: )</p>

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<li><p>The USNWR rankings are peer rankings anyway, and not based on hard evidence. It’s a collection of opinions. big whoop, but most people don’t realize this.</p></li>
<li><p>I think people believe #2 as an extension of the “must have good nursery school to get into good private school to get into top college” mentality. Not true, as we have seen.</p></li>
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