<p>i just learnt of the term/concept of "target" and "semi-target" B-schools. That certain schools statistically do very well, or well, or not well, with big recruting firms like Goldman Sachs, etc. and depending on particular field (accounting, investment, marketing,etc.) </p>
<p>For instance, i heard a certain firm reserves five times the amount of seats for wharton than for many other schools (like ross- michigan) .</p>
<p>Out of the schools im considering, which are good "target" or "semi-target" schools that get good recruitment for the major firms..</p>
<p>UH-OH. really??? thats not good. how could maryland, baruch or binghamton be good business schools ,but not target schools? ok, maybe i dont know this whole target thing so well…could someone explain this to me?</p>
<p>why would ppl attend a school that isnt known for having future firms/employers recruit there ??? (isnt that the point of college)</p>
<p>Targets for which jobs/industries?
You need to pick a field and location before asking what the target schools are.</p>
<p>With a few exceptions (most notably NYU), recruitment at businesses schools seem to correlate relatively well with how good the undergraduate program as a whole is viewed (i.e. USNews rankings).</p>
<p>As to how a school could be a good business school but not a target?
The easy answer is that employers disagree with the notion that they are indeed a good business school.</p>
<p>Baruch has the benefit of location. A lot of banks recruit their (almost entirely for BO though). If your a minority you’ll do fine recruitment wise a lot of firms fill their quotas from there.</p>
<p>^ baruch honors is my top choice. thanks alot for the info. whats “BO”? and is baruch get good jobs for things other than accounting (im considering management, invsetment, marketing…but for sure not accounting.) and im not a minority. so, is baruch a target school or no, cuz u say alot of firms recruit from there?</p>
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<p>@anrgyelf- so, if it’s a top 50 school (which includes rutgers,bing,umd) then its a top 50 target school?</p>
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<p>does anyone know anything more about baruch? how is it that it’s not a top 50 business school- isnt it known as a very good business school…will it help for getting recreuitment at firms /job placement the honors scholars program?</p>
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<p>anyoneelse feel free to contribute anything u know about target,semi-target undergrad business schools!</p>
<p>delmonico,“how could maryland, baruch or binghamton be good business schools ,but not target schools?”</p>
<p>They are target schools, but not for Investment Banking or Consulting. In other words, top professions require top schools, not just target. For instance, CUNY Baruch is well know in New York, but not outside of it. Though it doesn’t mean that you won’t be able to get a job at an IB–it just becomes harder, for it is not their main purpose. I see recruiters coming to Baruch a few times a week. A few weeks ago we had a corporate presentation by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), which I heard was cool and was impressed by, though only US citizens could attend it
As I said, every single employer knows about Baruch in NYC area. Baruch is strong in some areas, but in general it is not well known outside of NY.</p>
<p>BO is back office and consists of supporting roles which aren’t nearly as glamorous as FO or front office roles (the money makers). </p>
<p>Lower ranked schools can become targets if a higher up graduated from that school and is interested in giving back to his school in the form of recruitment. </p>
<p>Top targets would be schools like Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Upenn, Princeton, …</p>
<p>I have personally never heard of baruch being thought of as a good school, but there are definitely people in good positions now that went to baruch. It’s location and tuition are huge advantages. Unfortunately, its name isn’t exactly going to open a lot of doors. </p>
<p>What schools you should look at should depend on what you’re interested in, not whether someone online tells you it’s a target.<br>
One thing people often forget is that with the exception of accounting type positions, you do not need to business school to get business jobs. In some cases, it doesn’t even help</p>
<p>my problem is that i cant make into the best schools (penn,harvard cornell,uchicago,stanford, etc.) and the places i probably can get into (michigan, brandeis,nyu type places) are all way too expensive. so im trying to find the best possible option to set myself up for getting the best job in the future. if its true that baruch (even honors) isn’t good, and gets BO jobs, then perhaps its not even worth going the free tutition. if money wasn’t an issue, iide be in mchigan, a great business school, and thats the end of it…but it is…so this kinda sucks…any advice?</p>
<p>and please elaborate angryelf- b/c i think that the undergrad business school you go to is extremely important in the business world (unlike law, where it doesn’t matter , and the grad school is all that matters)</p>
<p>“Baruch houses one of the oldest business schools in the world.[64] It is situated a short subway ride from both midtown Manhattan and Wall Street. Baruch was ranked as a Top Public #3 University[65], and Top #21 Regional (North) University[66] by 2012 US News & World Report, #22 Most Desirable Large School[67] by Newsweek, and Best College Buy by Forbes Magazine.[5] Baruch’s Financial Engineering program was ranked #5 by QuantNet[68] Baruch tied at #2 with Harvard University for the number of graduates in “100 Most Influential People in Accounting Worldwide”[69] and ranked #1 nationwide for people with Advanced Degrees who pass the CPA exam. Baruch is ranked 25th among business schools in the United States by Social Science Research Network.[70] Baruch’s MBA was ranked #1 in ‘MBAs with Most Financial Value at Graduation’ by US News.[71] The undergraduate business program was ranked #2 in New York-New Jersey area, and #33 nationally. (U.S. News & World Report, “America’s Top Colleges 2009”)
For 9 years, Baruch has topped the list of Diverse Student Body in the United States (U.S. News & World Report, “America’s Top Colleges 2008”) Baruch’s Part-Time MBA is ranked #17 in the nation by U.S. News & World Report (“America’s Best Graduate Schools 2007”), making it #2 in New York City. The Full-Time MBA was ranked in the Top 3 of New York programs. Both were the only ranked public programs in New York State.
Baruch was ranked #22 in Top 25 Entrepreneurial Colleges by Entrepreneur and The Princeton Review[75].
Baruch’s School of Public Affairs is ranked in the Top 20 in the nation for its Master of Public Administration program by U.S. News & World Report (2006).”</p>
<p>Don’t listen to angryelf, he doesn’t really know much about Baruch and it is very clear from his post. He even spelled Baruch with a lower case letter as opposed to other schools, which shows that he is either biased or disrespectful.</p>
<p>To elaborate, it seems like you are limiting yourself to business schools, which may not be necessary for the types of jobs you are looking for. Liberal arts colleges and research universities that do not have undergraduate business colleges still place a lot of people into finance and consulting jobs.</p>
<p>I did not mean to imply that the quality of the school you go to doesn’t matter. </p>
<p>Personally, I feel that you’re much better off taking out loans to pay for a nyu/umich type school than places like Baruch or Rutgers. The cost right now is microscopic compared to your future potential earnings.</p>
<p>To my knowledge, the only major bank that recruits at Baruch for FO positions is JPM, whereas nearly all of them recruit at NYU. This will ultimately make a huge difference.</p>
<p>first of all this has been a very informative thread, thanks to everyone who posted, i learned alot. maybe ill go to baruch freshman, save money, and then transfer to ross soph yr. so that the cost is only 45,000$x3 instead of 4. </p>
<p>and @toshtemerov-all ur rankings seem nice (how much time did u spend on that?) but on the business week undergrad rankings zicklin (baruch’s business school) is not even on top 100!</p>
<p>The information is all over different places, but it is combined on Wiki. Yes, Wiki is not a reliable source, but you can search each ranking by yourself or just look at their sources and check them yourself. You can also look for ranking on the Baruch’s website. </p>
<p>In regards to going to NYU or Baruch–it depends. If you want to major in Finance, then maybe you should go to Stern. Otherwise, I think Baruch would be better. NYU is not generous with the Financial Aid, which means that you will have to pay 200k for 4 years plus 6% interest on it, if you take out loans. If you get a financial aid, Baruch may be completely free for you, and some of the people I know are actually getting paid for going to college lol.
You ask how? Well they get left overs from the Fin Aid (up to 2000$)–they just have to be full time. </p>
<p>If you plan on getting a MBA or MS, then your undergraduate school is not really important, and you should better save that money for a good graduate school. However, if BS is the only degree you want to get, then you absolutely should go to the best school you can.</p>
<p>Just wanted to add This in case tree was any confusion.
I did not mean to imply that Baruch was by any means a bad school.
Just that relative to the more expensive schools on the list, the recruiting just doesn’t match up.
In my mind, it’s a great choice for anything BUT finance and consulting fr the reason(s) expressed above.
Also, the vast majority of my posts are typed on a phone. Take any capitalizations with a grain of salt. My phone has more of a say over it than I do.</p>
<p>@Tosh choice of undergraduate education is important even if you want an MBA. Admission into top programs requires a solid educational and work background. I believe Ivy league students regularly make up 40%-60% of each HBS class. Leaving little room for even top public schools.</p>
<p>Sean518x, “I believe Ivy league students regularly make up 40%-60% of each HBS class. Leaving little room for even top public schools.”</p>
<p>This is because those graduates tend to have all of those qualifications in the first place. Yet, the school itself doesn’t guarantee you an admission. Though, I agree that the school you go to has a direct influence on your future working experience.</p>
