<p>Can someone post the us news rankings for top undergraduate engineering schools or post a link to them? If not could people tell me what they think the top schools are? How high would Rice rank?
Thanks</p>
<p>have you tried searching... I think they've already been posted.</p>
<p>Rice is not one of the top fews. The very best are:</p>
<p>MIT
Caltech
Stanford
Berkeley
UIUC
Texas
Georgia Tech
Purdue
Northwestern
and a few more</p>
<p>Rank/School Peer
assessment
score
(5.0 = highest)
1. Massachusetts Inst. of Technology 4.9
2. Stanford University (CA) 4.8
3. University of CaliforniaBerkeley * 4.7
4. California Institute of Technology 4.6
U. of IllinoisUrbana-Champaign * 4.6
6. Georgia Institute of Technology * 4.5
7. University of MichiganAnn Arbor * 4.4
8. Carnegie Mellon University (PA) 4.3
Purdue Univ.West Lafayette (IN)* 4.3
10. Cornell University (NY) 4.2
University of TexasAustin * 4.2
12. Princeton University (NJ) 4.1
13. Johns Hopkins University (MD) 4.0
Northwestern University (IL) 4.0
Univ. of WisconsinMadison * 4.0
16. Pennsylvania State U.University Park * 3.9
Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst. (NY) 3.9
Texas A&M Univ.College Station * 3.9
19. Rice University (TX) 3.8
Univ. of MinnesotaTwin Cities * 3.8
Virginia Tech * 3.8
22. Duke University (NC) 3.7
Univ. of CaliforniaLos Angeles * 3.7
Univ. of CaliforniaSan Diego * 3.7
Univ. of MarylandCollege Park * 3.7
Univ. of Southern California 3.7
University of Washington * 3.7
28. Columbia University (NY) 3.6
Harvard University (MA) 3.6
Ohio State UniversityColumbus * 3.6
University of CaliforniaDavis * 3.6
University of Pennsylvania 3.6
33. Case Western Reserve Univ. (OH) 3.5
Iowa State University * 3.5
North Carolina State U.Raleigh * 3.5
Univ. of CaliforniaSanta Barbara * 3.5
University of ColoradoBoulder * 3.5
University of Virginia * 3.5
39. Arizona State University * 3.4
Brown University (RI) 3.4
Michigan State University * 3.4
University of Arizona * 3.4
University of Florida * 3.4
University of Notre Dame (IN) 3.4
Vanderbilt University (TN) 3.4
Washington University in St. Louis 3.4
47. Dartmouth College (NH) 3.3
Lehigh University (PA) 3.3
Yale University (CT) 3.3
50. Colorado School of Mines * 3.2
Drexel University (PA) 3.2
RutgersNew Brunswick (NJ)* 3.2
University of CaliforniaIrvine * 3.2
University of MissouriRolla * 3.2
Worcester Polytechnic Inst. (MA) 3.2
56. Illinois Institute of Technology 3.1
Rochester Inst. of Technology (NY) 3.1
University of Delaware * 3.1
Univ. of MassachusettsAmherst * 3.1
60. Auburn University (AL)* 3.0
Boston University 3.0
Clemson University (SC)* 3.0
Colorado State University * 3.0
Kansas State University * 3.0
Michigan Technological University * 3.0
Northeastern University (MA) 3.0
SUNYStony Brook * 3.0
University at BuffaloSUNY * 3.0
University of IllinoisChicago * 3.0
University of Iowa * 3.0
University of Pittsburgh * 3.0
University of Tennessee * 3.0
University of Utah * 3.0
74. Oregon State University * 2.9
Polytechnic University (NY) 2.9
Syracuse University (NY) 2.9
Tufts University (MA) 2.9
Tulane University (LA) 2.9
University of Cincinnati * 2.9
University of Kansas * 2.9
Washington State University * 2.9
82. Brigham Young Univ.Provo (UT) 2.8
Clarkson University (NY) 2.8
New Jersey Inst. of Technology * 2.8
Oklahoma State University * 2.8
University of Connecticut * 2.8
Univ. of NebraskaLincoln * 2.8
University of New Mexico * 2.8
U. of North CarolinaCharlotte * 2.8
University of Oklahoma * 2.8
University of Rochester (NY) 2.8
92. Louisiana State U.Baton Rouge * 2.7
Stevens Institute of Technology (NJ) 2.7
Texas Tech University * 2.7
University of Alabama * 2.7
University of Houston * 2.7
University of Kentucky * 2.7
Univ. of MissouriColumbia * 2.7
99. George Washington University (DC) 2.6
Mississippi State University * 2.6
San Diego State University * 2.6
Southern Methodist University (TX) 2.6
Univ. of CaliforniaRiverside * 2.6
Univ. of CaliforniaSanta Cruz * 2.6
University of Miami (FL) 2.6
University of Rhode Island * 2.6
University of TexasArlington * 2.6
Utah State University * 2.6
Wayne State University (MI)* 2.6
West Virginia University * 2.6
111. CUNYCity College * 2.5
Marquette University (WI) 2.5
New Mexico State University * 2.5
Ohio University * 2.5
S.D. School of Mines and Tech. * 2.5
SUNYBinghamton * 2.5
Temple University (PA)* 2.5
University of AlabamaBirmingham * 2.5
University of AlabamaHuntsville * 2.5
University of Arkansas * 2.5
University of Central Florida * 2.5
University of New Hampshire * 2.5
Univ. of South CarolinaColumbia * 2.5
University of TexasDallas * 2.5
University of Vermont * 2.5
Univ. of WisconsinMilwaukee * 2.5</p>
<ol>
<li>MIT, Caltech, Stanford</li>
<li>Berkeley, Cornell</li>
<li>Michigan, Princeton</li>
<li>CMU, UIUC</li>
<li>GaTech, Purdue, UT Austin</li>
</ol>
<p>Thanks you guys</p>
<p>I wonder, does UT really have a better engineering reputation than Rice down in Texas? Im from the midwest so I wouldn't really know. To put it this way, if cost was not a factor, would a prospective engineering student select UT over the more prestigious Rice?</p>
<p>If you intend to be an under grad engineering major youll want avoid the big research/grad student oriented schools. At those kind of schools you may get all of the prestige you desire, but only at the cost of the education you and your parents desire. (Unless of course you really want a school with 200+ kids in many of your first and second year classes and also a 60% drop out/change major rate.) </p>
<p>For under grad engineering education check out this current list. </p>
<p>Caution!: At all of these schools you will have to work hard, maybe spend a lot less of your parents money and sometimes even do without your Izod charade.</p>
<p>Like toblin, I'm a great believer in some of those smaller, less well-known engineering schools, such as Rose-Hulman and Harvey Mudd. I'm hoping to attend Rose-Hulman next year...I should if I get enough money.</p>
<p>It just sounds like these smaller colleges are more focused on getting all of their undergrads through the engineering curriculum. I'm not sure exactly what the retention rates are for these smaller colleges, so I can't state this categorically, but that's the impression I get through literature and hearsay.</p>
<p>"I wonder, does UT really have a better engineering reputation than Rice down in Texas? Im from the midwest so I wouldn't really know. To put it this way, if cost was not a factor, would a prospective engineering student select UT over the more prestigious Rice?"</p>
<p>No, personally, I will choose Rice :). Although their engineering program is not that great, their undergrad engineering students are stronger than those at UT.</p>
<p>Why would you choose an engineering program with better students over one that has the stronger program?</p>
<p>rtkysg,
Is this a new engineering ranking? This is the first time I've seen Cornell engineering ranks higher than traditional engineering powerhouses like UIUC, Michigan and Purdue. What is the basis for your ranking?</p>
<p>If DowChem/GE/Exxon come on campus to recruit an engineer for a technical position, who do you think they will hire...an engineering grad from Cornell, or from UI/Mich/Purdue?</p>
<p>I did a little comparison of starting BS salaries from Michigan and the slightly lower ranked Wisconsin. UW was higher in average starting salary for Chem Eng., Civil, Industrial, and Mechanical. UM was higher in Computer Eng, Electrical, and Biomed. In most cases the differences were small and likely more due to the job location than other factors. Most jobs paid around $50,000.</p>
<p>GoBlue81 that ranking is rtkysg's opinion.</p>
<p>that question is tough, but if the location is in the midwest they would hire Michigan/UI/Purdue and if it's the northeast they would hire the Cornell one.</p>
<p>GoBlue81, yes it's my opinion. The reasons why I put Cornell above them are:
1. Michigan grad school is slightly better than Cornell, but its selectivity is very low and Michigan undergrad engrg programs are pretty lax and easy.
2. UIUC is only good for EE in graduate level, its undergrad engineering proram is just so so and its selectivity is low.
3. Purdue is not even as good as the other two, Purdue is only famous for aerospace engineering and digital signal processing (EE), but its overall engineering program is not in the same level as Cornell's. Furthermore, Purdue is a promiscuous, low selectivity school. </p>
<p>For the ranking, not only I consider the faculty strength and facility of the school, but also how strong the student body of the school is. For undergrad level, we all know that on the average Cornell engrg students are much stronger than Purdue engrg students. So perhaps that would implicitly answer your question.</p>
<p>rtkysg - If you could choose between GA Tech and Michigan as an undergraduate, which would you choose? I live so much closer to Tech...</p>
<p>First, if selectivity mattered, then Yale would be a good engineering school.</p>
<p>Second, graduate and undergraduate programs aren't going to differ a lot in strength. The same faculty teach the same subject in the same buildings.</p>
<p>Third, I would say UIUC is good for more than just EE at graduate level. U.S. News puts it at #4 for grad (ahead of Caltech and Michigan) and #5 for undergrad (ahead of Michigan). NRC ranks 8 fields of engineering and UIUC ranks top 5 in 4 (Chem, Civil, Elec, MatSci) and atleast top 15 in 3 (Mech, Industrial, and Aero). Not ranked in BME but the program didnt even exist back then.</p>
<p>If UIUC is only so-so, then what are the hundreds of lower engineering schools? Utter crap? Believe it or not, most engineers aren't from MIT/Stan/UCB!</p>
<p>Gshine,</p>
<p>First, I measured the trade off between selectivity and facility/faculty.</p>
<p>Second, No, weak undergrad students may generally still be weak despite excellent program they have, since the low selectivity allows promiscuous admission. Grad students are rather different, the professors generally can choose their own students.</p>
<p>Third, look at the ranking list more carefully, if you disregard some 'trash' measurements such as no of PhD granted, Caltech will be ranked first or second, and Michigan has similar ranking to UIUC. Specifically, look at the peer assessment score, employment assessment score and the percentage of member of Nat. Academy.</p>
<p>Also since the USNEWS undergrad engineering ranking is only based on peer assessment. I'd take it very lightly, com'on how could you say the engineering school is great if its students are pretty flimsy.</p>
<p>Finally, UIUC engineering is only so so for undergraduate level.</p>
<p>Why do you put so much emphasis on the strength of the student body? It doesn't drag down the strength of the program. It just means a lot of people aren't going to graduate. The failure rate in UIUC's College of Engineering is 40%, but that does not mean the undergraduate program is so-so. Only MIT, Stanford, and Caltech are selective enough to maintain a high graduation rate.</p>
<p>Gshine,</p>
<p>Look, I admit the faculty and the facility of UIUC engineering school are top notch, as well as its grad students. However, if its undergrad students are so weak, generally they have to reduce the workload and the depth of the undergraduate course. This is why I don't rely only on the peer assessment for undergrad level, because they only look at the quality of the faculty rather than its students.</p>
<p>Believe it or not, if you compare the undergraduate homework and general assignments, you would find Berkeley or Cornell is harder than UIUC.</p>
<p>Fair enough, but what I have a problem with is that you seem to think everything besides top 5 in your list sucks. Illinois, Michigan, and Purdue are all top 10 engineering schools any way you look at it. If they're only so-so, then I can't image what you think about schools not in top 10. You learn the same stuff at any engineering school, though at a top school you would get more exposure to the latest technology and the world's greatest minds. While that is great, it is not everything. People do manage to get into MIT and others for grad school from schools that are not even in the top 50. They cannot be all that unequal.</p>