Torn between Harvard and Princeton

<p>I was accepted to Harvard EA and Princeton RD. Obviously, I feel very thankful and fortunate to be in this position, but now I'm in a difficult position as I'm really interested in both schools.</p>

<p>I'm thinking about studying either economics or philosophy (though I know how easily preferences change). I've researched both schools and found only a marginal, negligible difference between the quality of their undergraduate programs in both fields (though please correct me if my assumption is wrong).</p>

<p>I've visited both schools overnight, and I've had the opportunity to talk extensively with current students and attend classes. If I had to go with gut feeling, I'd say I'm leaning to Princeton a little more because of the smaller, seemingly closer atmosphere and the better weather (I come from a tropical country). However, I'm also under a lot of pressure from family/peers/everyone-I-meet to go to Harvard, because of the power of the Harvard brand in getting an edge in the job market - especially overseas, where Princeton is less well-known.</p>

<p>To be honest, I think I would be happy at either school, but I want to make the best decision possible. If I go to Harvard, I'd also like it to be on the school's merits, not because of name value or some other arcane calculation; likewise for Princeton. I'd appreciate any advice you guys can give me. I've posted this in the Harvard forum as well.</p>

<p>[Best</a> Undergraduate Teaching | Rankings | Top National Universities | US News](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/undergraduate-teaching]Best”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/undergraduate-teaching)</p>

<p>I’d actually say Princeton for undergrad. Harvard’s quality of undergraduate instruction just is not there.</p>

<p>Congratulations! Both Harvard and Princeton are incredible.</p>

<p>Last week, I was admitted to Harvard and Princeton (in addition to Stanford, Yale, and the other Ivies). I have already sent in my Princeton response card with “Yes” checked off and have said no to Harvard and the others. </p>

<p>Why? </p>

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<li>Princeton, unlike Harvard and Yale, has more of a focus on the undergraduate. Unlike HYS, it does not have professional school in Law, Medicine, and Business (even though Princeton students do as well as Yale students in graduate school admissions). Small class sizes were important to me, which is something Princeton offered to a greater degree than the others. As per the link in the post above, Princeton regularly receives the #1 ranking in undergraduate teaching.
From the Admitted Students website, a post from Prof. Evan Thomas, a Harvard alumnus:
"Every Tuesday afternoon at 1:30, sixteen undergraduates–one senior, one freshman, eight sophomores and six juniors–gather in a seminar room in Joseph Henry House, a yellow-brick 19th century house nearby Nassau Hall. They are students in JRN 400: Media in America, an introduction to journalism that I have been teaching for the past five years. Every week, we talk about the ethics and practice of journalism. Last week, we discussed how the internet has changed an old and famous literary magazine, the Atlantic Monthly. My guest was Bob Cohn, the editor-in-chief of the TheAtlantic.com. Next week, we will explore how to write an op-ed piece. </li>
</ol>

<p>The students will write op-eds, and then meet with me at office hours to go over their work. I meet individually with each student for a half hour each week. These one-on-one encounters are the most important part of the course. Individual instruction, I have found from long experience, is by far the best way to learn how to write. My students write every week.</p>

<p>I worked as a reporter, writer, and editor for Time and Newsweek for 33 years. I was the Washington Bureau Chief for Newsweek for ten years. I wrote over a hundred cover stories, and I have written seven books, including biographies or Robert Kennedy and Dwight Eisenhower. In 1999, I won a National Magazine Award. I try to bring my experience into the classroom at Princeton, and I often invite professionals as guests. (In the fall I teach a seminar on narrative writing). My students challenge me to explain and justify what journalists do. I challenge them to think more critically and write more clearly. The classroom can be a very exciting, engaging place at Princeton. I am a very loyal Harvard alum (class of 1973), so it pains me to say this, but among the so-called Big Three (Harvard-Princeton-Yale), Princeton is the college that pays the most attention to its undergraduates."</p>

<p>Another post, from Professor Jonathan Levy, a Yale alumnus:</p>

<p>"But first I should introduce myself. I’m from Texas originally. This is my fourth year teaching at Princeton, and I arrived here after receiving my PhD from the University of Chicago, and earlier my BA from Yale. So what makes Princeton different?</p>

<p>Let me briefly share a story from my very first day on campus. It was my job interview. Normally, in the academic profession, job candidates give a one-hour talk on their research. Here in the history department at Princeton, however, the first thing job candidates do is give a presentation on their approach to undergraduate teaching. After that, the interview turns to research interests. </p>

<p>I had always heard that Princeton took special pride in the faculty’s commitment to undergraduate teaching. But I was nevertheless struck when my presentation on teaching turned into an engaged, fascinating, free-flowing dialogue – with world-renowned researchers in their respective fields no less – on the ins and outs of effective teaching. Cleary, Princeton professors thought about teaching a lot. </p>

<p>In other words, there was a reason why, in a Princeton job interview, the teaching presentation came first. Now that I’m here, I realize that a seemingly innocuous scheduling decision was a way to signal to prospective faculty members just how seriously Princeton takes undergraduate teaching. That commitment runs deep here, and truly is what makes this place – from the perspective of its faculty – different. Just like me, you will sense it from the first minute you step on campus. "</p>

<p>Harvard may be marginally more prestigious than Yale and Princeton, but it does not offer the same level of “commitment [that] runs deep” to undergraduate teaching. A few years ago, the WSJ did a survey of feeders to top graduate schools, HYP were 1,2, and 3, with minimal differences between the 3. Princeton’s alumni network is much more loyal than Harvard’s, so I would argue that job prospects are at least the same/maybe even better after having graduated from Princeton. </p>

<p>Good luck deciding!</p>

<p>Princeton undergrad.</p>

<p>Harvard for grad school.</p>

<p>That way you get the best of both. ;)</p>

<p>Let us know what you end up deciding! I agree that Princeton undergrad Harvard grad is the best combination.</p>

<p>“I’m thinking about studying either economics or philosophy (though I know how easily preferences change). I’ve researched both schools and found only a marginal, negligible difference between the quality of their undergraduate programs in both fields (though please correct me if my assumption is wrong).”</p>

<p>Would you consider WWS at Princeton? Remember, HKS is mainly for graduate students.</p>

<p>Also, are you going to Visitas and Princeton Preview?</p>

<p>The cross admit data shows that very few people choose Princeton.
[A</a> Revealed Preference Ranking of U.S. Colleges and Universities by Christopher Avery, Mark Glickman, Caroline Hoxby, Andrew Metrick :: SSRN](<a href=“http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=601105]A”>http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=601105)</p>

<p>Either one will result in a great education.
Either one will result in a great career ahead.
You are obviously smart enough to get accepted to both.
Each will allow for a different experience
Harvard may be better in one area- Princeton in another<br>
It is not as if you are having to make a choice between Princeton and U of Miami
I would not let my family influence me- esp bc I dont agree with their conclusion that H is more prestigious. It really depend on who you ask .
Gd luck</p>

<p>Haha, when I saw this, I thought, “Poor you.”</p>

<p>But seriously, I would go with Princeton. As other poster have already pointed out, they take a lot of pride in putting their undergraduate students first.</p>

<p>Have you posted this on the Harvard forum? You may be getting a biased response from people on the Princeton U. forum because, well, you’re on the Princeton U. forum.</p>

<p>^agree. From what I see here, some people are really biased in favor of Princeton (actually that applies to almost all ivy league forums xp)
Both are excellent schools, but if you want to work overseas, Harvard has the edge for its universal brand name (although both schools are equally prestigious in US, you can’t deny that H is more well-known than P in countries abroad). When it comes to education, though, is a different story.</p>

<p>The OP posted in the Harvard forum as well, as most students who make “A or B??” posts do.</p>