<p>Anybody know when Bernie Madoff will get paroled?</p>
<p>Can someone on the Ohio State board here explain to me why it is such a big deal that this university needs always to be referred to as “THE” Ohio State University. What is the thing about the “THE”?</p>
<p>Placido,</p>
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<li><p>I believe “The Ohio State University” is the university’s official state given title.</p></li>
<li><p>The “Thee” pronunciation is due to the “O” of Ohio being a vowel.</p></li>
<li><p>Yes, it implies (in an arrogantly perceived manner) that OSU is the singular state university of Ohio. Due to its political clout and a vast non-alum fan base who think of little of correct university titles and more about winning games (see Tressel, Jim*) the YSU/SSU/WSU/Toledo/Miami(OH) and Ohio U’s don’t push the issue…Nutured on and off the gridiron.</p></li>
<li><p>Sadly, Florida State University has recently copied this incorrect practice: [The</a> Florida State University](<a href=“http://www.fsu.edu/]The”>http://www.fsu.edu/)
Hopefully, the other state universities in Florida, including giant UCF will have their representatives pass a statute prohibiting its continued use. FSU’s statehouse allies struck down a measure to make UF the “Flagship” university of the state, so it may be time for UF to band with the USF/UNF/FAU/FIU and aforementioned UCF to return the favor.</p></li>
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<li>Yes, Tressel resigned. However, it was due to him losing panty salesman Wexner’s backing; OSU is trying to, in the words of SI’s Andy Staples, “Shift The Narrative” and say everything is solely Tressel’s fault.</li>
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<p>It’s all kind of silly. Some football players traded stuff they earned playing a game for tattoos and weed. Am I the only one that lives in the real world? Stuff like this happens everywhere. It’s not like the University paid players. It’s been blown way out of proportion.</p>
<p>I bet they would have regretted trading their stuff when they got a little bit older. That would have been a real lesson. </p>
<p>If anything is a crime it’s how these kids are marketed all across the country, many people use them to make millions of dollars (Newspapers, Television Networks, Universities, etc.) and when the kid gets a little something for himself it’s treated as if the whole program is crooked.</p>
<p>Give me a break. The real crooks are the people that market this stuff in the first place, the people that make these KIDS celebrities. If Universities (or the NCAA for that matter) really cared about keeping collegiate sports honest then they shouldn’t sign tv contracts or market it in the first place. They’re all hypocrites.</p>
<p>^blah blah blah</p>
<p>That’s not why OSU is in trouble. Tressel repeatedly lied to the NCAA and played ineligible players. That’s why **** is about to hit the fan. Along with all the deals on cars the players are getting</p>
<p>Finding a couple of ■■■■■■ on the TOSU board. Harold Camping was only 9 days off. The world came to an end on May 30 rathe than May 21. I wonder if Tressel can get more for his vests than Rich Rod got for his sweatshirts. They buyer will never be able to wash out the stench.</p>
<p>When i see stuff like this I always wonder, why does OSU(USC/Others) need to even cheat at all? They have it all–great name. facilities, home talent (150 or so instate players get D-1 scholarships and OSU gets 1st choice) and so on. I know Wisconsin has gotten great players that were OSU rejects for football scholies and we pick after OSU, Michigan and a few others most of the time.
Just don’t get it.</p>
<p>^^ Well, they did not inject steroid in order to win on the field if that’s what you meant… The star players made a bad judgement call and traded their hard earned memorabilia for favor. The real ‘cheat’ part comes in when the HC JT denied knowing of the infraction upon NCAA’s initial inquiry on the investigation. In short, I guaranteed that Buckeye players aint the only ones doing it!! Nonetheless, a transgression is a transgression indeed… However, as an elite program / institution, we will for sure bounce back sooner than most think!! Go Bucks!! lol</p>
<p>The issue isn’t that the players traded in their trinkets for tattoos, cars and money. The school can discipline the player with a suspension or an explusion. The issue is the role of the institution in allowing all of this to happen.</p>
<p>Sweater Vest was a representative of TOSU and TOSU should be held accountable for all of his transgressions as if it were its own. We know sweater vest is a liar. What we will find out is:</p>
<ol>
<li> How widespread was this? Five players? 28 players? More?</li>
<li> How long has it been going on?</li>
<li> When did sweater vest know or have reason to believe something was going on? I highly doubt he first learned of it in April, 2010.</li>
<li> What was sweater vest’s role in this? Were his transgressions limited to finding out about it, not telling anyone about it and then lying about it when asked? Or is there more?</li>
<li> What did the AD and the TOSU President know of the ongoings? Were they ignorant or did they know.</li>
<li> What did sweater vest and the TOSU athletic department do to ensure that the players were in compliance with NCAA rules? Did they make an effort to know what cars the players were driving and how the cars were paid for?</li>
<li> What ensued after evidence of the scandal came to light. Did TOSU make an effort to learn the truth or did they hope it would blow over? When facts came to light, did they fess up or try to cover it up?</li>
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<p>A comparison can be made between the sweater vest scandal and the U-M basketball scandal. Trerelle Pryor = Chris Webber; The car dealer and the tattoo guy = Ed Martin. Sweater vest = Steve Fisher? U-M basketball is just beginning to recover from a scandal that is more than 10 years old. The scandal made MSU a basketball powerhouse. Will TOSU receive a comparable consequence?</p>
<p>There seems like there is a lot of stench here and we only know a portion of it. TOSU was always an honorable adversary or so we thought. I’m glad they saw fit to get rid of the sweater vest and put integrity over soon-to-be-vacated championships. TOSU, Sparkeye and the result of the TOSU faithful deserve better than this.</p>
<p>It looks like a couple of Michigan ■■■■■■ have just crawled in. Hey BUCKEYE fans, check out CC Michigan, entitled “Osama or Tressel”. </p>
<p>It looks to me like disgruntled fans are venting out a decade of beating from Coach Tressel! LOL!</p>
<p>If you are looking for a good read about Tressel and what he did for his players and the kind of philosophy he took towards them read the article “The Man Who Wasn’t There” on elevenwarriors.com.</p>
<p>Whenever someone says that OSU athletics is self-supporting, please remind them that far from paying the $250,000 that OSU President E. Gordon Gee said he would, Tressel is now collecting his of pro-rated salary for June (in his case over $52,000, more than most Ohioan’s make in a YEAR) and will now start receiving his STATE employee retirement pension. Yes, the taxpayers of Ohio get to keep Jim fitted with the latest in sweater vests! With sales of his books (featuring his words about how the rest of us should be pious, moral and full of integrity like him) tanking at the Family Christian Bookstores, old JT needs you to file your returns to Columbus promptly, less he goes without his vacation home, luxury car, etc. But hey, at least he hasn’t fired President Gee yet, so maybe OSU alums can add additional money to their state tax returns, money directed to go straight to the paragon of virtue and true Ohio State symbol that IS Jim Tressel.</p>
<p>I believe he paid into the retirement funds over his years at YSU and OSU so much of what he gets back is money he paid in out of his salalry. The AD might have also paid the state match, if any, or not but that’s just part of being a state worker. He is as entitled to this benefit as any state worker with many years of service.</p>
<p>^^^
Per the OSU HR web site: If the termination of the employee is for Gross Misconduct then they forfeit their retirement benefits. If it was you or I who violated a specific contract clause of the nature and scope of the one Tressel violated, I firmly believe we would terminated under the Gross Misconduct categorization. However Jim “I know who knew what and when” Tressel is different and Wexner and Gee will buy his silence and taking of all the blame with a state-funded retirement the average state worker in a similar circumstance would not see. Yes, they will get away with it since the average Ohioan thinks of Ohio State as a football team first and an institution of higher learning somewhere after it serving as an agricultural extension service. Come to think of it, the whole country does too.</p>
<p>We all get it, Baghdad…and we’re tired of it. You hate Ohio State. Good for you; go wallow in your hatred someplace else. This isn’t a football/sports forum. It’s a higher education forum devoted to Ohio’s flagship/highest ranked/most selective public university. </p>
<p>When all this settles, THE Ohio State University will still be officially recognized by the state of Ohio as Ohio’s flagship public university.</p>
<p>When all of this settles, our endowment will still be over two billion dollars.</p>
<p>When all of this settles, next year’s freshman class will still have a jump in the average ACT up to 29 (Michigan’s is 30).</p>
<p>When all of this settles 2/3 of next year’s freshman class will have graduated in the top tenth of their high school class.</p>
<p>When all of this settles, THE Ohio State University will still do over 700 million dollars in funded research next year (in the top 10 for all public and private American universities).</p>
<p>When all of this settles, we’ll still have dozens of programs from accounting to chemical engineering to physics to history to political science ranked in the top 30, top 20 and even top 10. </p>
<p>Your ■■■■■■■■ over here has passed the threshold from annoying and crossed into the realm of creepy. You’ve grasped the one lame card you could find to knock Ohio State. Congratulations, we’re all really, really proud of you. You’ve played it; now go away.</p>
<p>Well said, LennyPepperidge!</p>
<p>Pepperidge Farms Cookie,</p>
<p>I was the third poster in the start of this thread so your “■■■■■” defense is could apply to you more than me. If your “annoyance threshold” is this low, time to get some thicker skin junior.</p>
<p>Ah, the free use of the word “hate” Sadly, this word has been hijacked by tweeting 13 year olds who describe any type of criticism as “Hating.” Those of us who have been on the receiving end of true hatred, delivered by automatic weapon and artillery, don’t use such a heinous word with such ease, especially if you know the crimes against humanity that have taken place in its name. Try getting some perspective and resist the temptation to copy your kid sister’s prose because you think it is “hip.”</p>
<p>Nice predictions on scores, too bad facts don’t bear you out. OSU’s average ACT has risen from 27.0 to 27.8 in FOUR years, per OSU’s own stats. Expecting a 29 in 2011 is optimistic but I guess it salivates your envy of (as always with OSU people) Michigan. </p>
<p>What will “settle” you up to 2/3 at 10%? Your average of top 10% students over the past five years is 50.8% (OSU supplied figures). I guess E. Gordon Gee and Wexner might put the athletic compliance department in charge of Institutional Research to get the “right” numbers, huh?</p>
<p>As it “settles” now, OSU is the second highest ranked National University in its own state (CWRU#1) is ranked #56 in the country (not even in the top 25% of nationally ranked universities and has a President who is glad the Head Football coach didn’t fire him.</p>
<p>“Not everybody’s the perfect person. I mean, everyone kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me, whatever.”
-Terrell Pryor, 2009</p>
<p>Are you guys gonna make a plaque of that like UF did to Tebow?</p>