<p>Student4u-That's interesting, although difficult to believe. Nothing wrong with USC at all, I'm just personally not interested in it. That's why I said forget it. I also wanted this thread to be directed toward the MOST competitive schools in the nation (I know, some schools at NYU don't fall under this catagory).</p>
<p>Granted, USC is difficult to get into, but it is not quite as "out of reach" to students living outside of California.</p>
<p>I haven't seen 2005 rankings, but I'm looking at last year's. Berkeley is ranked at 21 for best national university. UCLA is at 25. USC at 30. Not a huge gap, but each school's peer assessment score tells another story: USC (3.9), UCLA (4.3), UCBerkeley (4.8)</p>
<p>"RKATC, why forget USC? the incoming 2004 freshman class to USC had a higher average GPA and SAT scores than ucla or berkeley. USC continually goes up the rankings year after year while UCLA has been slowly but surely going down the rankings."</p>
<p>Umm..yeah. UCLA and Berkeley students will never have the need to defend or legitimize their school. That alone, should speak volumes. Go Bruins!</p>
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<p>That misses the point; graduate school placement UCLA and UCB is not good with respect to other schools in its category. The students can remain complacement, but the those applying to law school, for instance, will certainly not.</p>
<p>Complacement? Did you mean complacent? And what are you talking about when you said, "graduate school placement UCLA and UCB is not good with respect to other schools in its category. The students can remain complacement, but the those applying to law school, for instance, will certainly not." Can you please eloborate? I am having difficulty deciphering what you are trying to say.</p>
<p>Georgetown, which is ranked in the same area as UCLA and lower than UCB, has a higher admit rate into Harvard Law School than both. One can also adduce Georgetown's student population relative to UCLA and UCB. </p>
<p>While students at UCLA and UCB may not need to assert their superiority or defend their respective institutions, when they start applying to graduate schools they will wish they had. USC might only place 10 students in HLS, but considering the size of its student body in comparison to both UCB and UCLA, this discrepancy is allowable.</p>
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<p>Eloborate? Oh.. did you mean 'elaborate'?</p>
<p>I thought my initial response was pellucid. </p>
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<p>No, what should speak volumes is the fact that you Bruins can't stop hanging off our Trojan balls. All you guys do 24/7 is hate on us. Do you feel threatened? Or haven't you guys got anything better to do than talk about us?</p>
<p>Anyway, let's not get into graduate school placement. It's the excellence of the student that is measured first - where you received your undergraduate degree is taken into consideration, but not to the same degree. Elite graduate programs may place higher value on students from top universities, but none of us can clearly measure how much. It is an arguable fact that the edge may be given to students from schools that hold impressive reputations - with the edge going to UCBerkeley, in this case alone. The difference between UCLA and USC exists but the gap is not enormous. </p>
<p>USC continues to rise rapidly in the U.S. News & World Report America's Best Colleges rankings. It has gone from 42 in 2000 to 30 in 2005. It is quickly catching up to its cross-town rival UCLA and is expected to surpass it within a few years and give even Stanford a run for its money. UCLA used to be ranked number 17, but has since gone down the rankings year after year. It ranked 25th in 2005. The incoming freshman class for the 2004 fall term had an average GPA of 4.0 and an average SAT score of 1350, which was well above the UCLA's 1289 and and Cal's 1300. Additionally, the Best Graduate Schools rankings ranked the Viterbi School of Engineering as 6th, the School of Policy, Planning, and Development as 7th, the Leventhal School of Accounting as 7th, the Marshall School of Business as 18th, and the Law School as 18th. The magazine consistently ranks the School of Cinema-Television and the Department of Occupational Science and Occupational Therapy as Number 1 in the nation.</p>