How many freshman drop out or transfer out from Ivies? There must be some reason to take transfers?
Not sure exactly what you are asking. You can see retention rate (of last year’s frosh class only) in B22 of the CDS, this number is probably mostly transfers (because schools get to adjust the original number for things like death, disability, etc.). We don’t know to what schools those transfers went though, or really if a given student just dropped out.
Here is Harvard’s CDS, showing a 98% retention rate of 2017 entering class into 2018 school year (their second year), so about 34 (1,687*.02) students transferred or dropped out. https://oir.harvard.edu/files/huoir/files/harvard_cds_2018-19.pdf There would be transfers/dropouts after soph year too, fewer after junior year…I am not sure where one can see those, maybe it’s in IPeds.
Ivies take transfers in from a number of places—two year schools (e.g., Deep Springs, certain community colleges), the armed forces/veterans, athletes and of course, other four year schools.
Google is your friend.
With 6 year grad rates ranging from about 95-97%, there just aren’t that many spots to transfer into. Some reports show, eg, Harvard taking roughly a dozen kids out of more than 1400 applicants. I’m not going to google the most recent exact numbers, but you may want to.
Plus, getting a transfer admit demands a rather specific need. Notjust that a kid wants to retry to get in.
There is an old adage. It’s very hard to get into an Ivy League school, but once in, it’s even harder to flunk out. HYP, in particular, are notoriously difficult to transfer into. In fact, it’s only recently that Princeton started accepting transfer applications. Cornell, partly due to its articulation agreement with NYS, plans for a higher number of transfers. As others have said, specifics can be found via the Common Data Sets.
Agreed with others said, Cornell probably has the highest transfer-in rate, with UPenn might be the next one (guess who had transferred from Lehigh to UPenn Wharton… do your research and give us the answer…next exercise is to find out who had transferred from Gtown to UPenn…lol)
Transfers are not necessarily only taken to refill from those who leave before graduation. Some colleges’ business models are designed around significant numbers of transfer students (e.g. Cornell, as well as many state universities), while others’ are designed around no or very few transfer students (e.g. the military service academies where all students start as frosh, even if they have post-high-school college credit, and some colleges like Princeton and Stanford that take only a few dozen transfers per year).
Thank you everyone. I’m not looking for specific statistics, just wondering how they make space for transfers as at freshman admission time often they have no spots left to go to the waitlist. In order to have space, some must be dropping out or transferring to other schools.
An incorrect assumption, since colleges’ business models may provide for transfer intake beyond the number that would refill spaces left by dropouts. Or may not bother to refill such spaces.
As we said, very few.have much space.
Other than some GT programs, no mandate to take any transfers. No need to “make space.”
Cornell is dorm- constrained. The number of people they can educate exceeds the number of people they can house.They promise housing on North campus to all incoming freshman, But they don’t promise housing to upperclassmen. They can accept more people if they don’t have to house them. Hence, the transfers.
That’s part of it anyway. I think there is another aspect. Most transfers are into the contract colleges. Transfer students into the contract colleges have already taken intro courses elsewhere that would otherwise have been taken at an Endowed Division college at Cornell, which may have been accompanied by some internal money transfers between divisions. Transfer students may be more profitable for the contract colleges because those students are more likely to (have to) take a higher proportion of their courses in-college.
In either case, it isn’t just a matter of filling in dropouts, but rather the business model provides for transfer students as has been suggested in #s 5 & 7 above.
Then there are also the articulation agreements to accept certain community college majors, mostly into certain majors at the contract colleges AFAIK.Also a “business model” issue, not a dropout issue.
What’s in it for colleges? They reject better freshman applicants and accept lesser applicants as sophomores and juniors who attended community colleges where rigor isn’t even as high as AP.
Community college is not necessarily less rigorous… plus, it is college, not high school, and how well one does in college is a better predictor than high school or test scores of how well one will do in college in the future.
Yup though students they reject or waitlist are fully capable of doing all that and more.
It’s possible colleges use it as a diversity initiative like ones they offer to URM, first generation, veterans, internationals, rural and other groups?