Transgender

[Bedouin]

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The studies showed/show that people (even blacks) are 200-400 milliseconds slower with the last category than the third, which shows an implicit association between blacks and evil. It’s not conscious or desired, but it’s there.

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<p>It’s a deepseated cultural thing. Darkness is often associated with evil as well, and “black” as in the race is sometimes linked to “darkness” the state of being (as in, no light). How often are bad guys on cartoon shows and books called “The Dark Lord” or something like that, and the “Dark Side” of the Force and the “Darkest Continent” (Africa) in the “Heart of Darkness” novel by Jonah Conrad.</p>

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However, if you’re a transgender who doesn’t identify with a so called “assigned sex” or “gender identity”; then you’re a progressive minority oppressed by an inconsiderate, backwards system of conservative bigots.

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<p>Our culture greatly encourages victim mentalities. It probably won’t be too long before the “North American Bisonians” become an URM who get bumped into better colleges.</p>

[Francaisalamatt]

<p>I don’t see why transgendered are “sacred.” It’s not wrong, of course, but it’s nothing to worship.</p>

[BMan22]

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First off, she may not have been transgendered. I wear boy’s clothes all the time. I have a friend who wears boys clothes, doesn’t shave, and just happens to have a more square body. From the neck down, she looks like a man, but I can assure you that she is 100% female.

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<p>Uhm…I probably wouldn’t want to talk to her either tbh. And you sound way too confident that she is a female :p</p>

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It is impossible to tell that the first two are in gender reassignment phases.

I disagree. Especially in person, your mind just tells you something is wrong. You just know.</p>

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Btw- those of you who are bashing transgendered as a lifestyle choice, you DO know that there is growing evidence that transgendered is biological, right?

There’s also mounting evidence that one’s actual gender is biological and can be determined by a quick look down their pants.</p>

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It’s also not a new phenomenon. It’s been going on since the beginning of human history and throughout all civilizations.

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<p>So has rape. Does it make it good?</p>

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<em>Sigh</em> In many Native American cultures, transgendered people were considered sacred. “Two-spirits” as they were commonly called

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<p>Good thing we destroyed that culture and replaced it with casinos and alcohol (Okay, that last part was a joke, don’t kill me)</p>

[romanigypsyeyes]

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Uhm…I probably wouldn’t want to talk to her either tbh. And you sound way too confident that she is a female

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<p>Then I’m sorry you are a shallow person who judges people based on looks. And I lived with her for two months, so yeah, I’m confident. </p>

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I disagree. Especially in person, your mind just tells you something is wrong. You just know.

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<p>Really? And this is because you are 100% confident that every single person you’ve ever talked to has been born the same gender that they currently appear to be? You’ve done a biological test on every person you’ve ever met? That’s dedication.</p>

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There’s also mounting evidence that one’s actual gender is biological and can be determined by a quick look down their pants.

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<p>Really? Is that so? I’m assuming you’ve never heard of hermaphodites or people with gender conditions such as Androgen insensitivity syndrome. To save you the google search, they are usually women with XY chromosomes but who are entirely female to the appearance. </p>

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So has rape. Does it make it good?

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<p>You just compared transgendered people to rape. I’m not even going to bother responding to this. </p>

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Good thing we destroyed that culture and replaced it with casinos and alcohol (Okay, that last part was a joke, don’t kill me)

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<p>Yes, let’s joke about centuries of oppression, pain, and suffering. You’re cool, really.</p>

[PlattsburghLoser]

<p>Meh. I just don’t care about how someone lives their life provided nobody is being harmed. </p>

<p>If John has urges to dress like John, Susie or a pregnant albino artic elephant, that’s his business.</p>

[aStyle]

<p>Actually, I did talk to her. And I played ping pong and pool with her. It was all normal but we were all thinking about her in the back of our minds… >_<</p>

[emorylegacy]

<p>I think the real concern is that the OP calls a member “Mr. Wiggly”.</p>

<p>Doubt he’s mature enough to handle trans people.</p>

[feareman]

<p>Pretty much BMan is a bigot and a child, why are bothering to feed the ■■■■■?</p>

<p>I wouldn’t care.</p>

[hanana]

<p>I’ve never actually met a transgender person (maybe I have, but I didn’t notice?) and I don’t see why we should go about dissing them. Just let them be whoever they want.</p>

[LilacLament]

<p>You’ve seriously never met a transgender person before? Or someone you aren’t sure about?
It seems pretty normal to me, just because I know a bunch of people in the Gender Studies departments at my local colleges, and have friends dealing with this stuff.
It’s silly that some people HAVE to know. They HAVE to be able to identify the gender to be able to relate to a person. That’s silly. There’s all kinds of grey in all walks of life… gender too.</p>

[Izzy_Busy_Bee]

<p>As much as I accept everyone and truly believe that everyone should completely equal, trans does kinda weird me out. I’ve been around plenty of trans, pan, lesbian, bi, gay etc. people [hell, i went to BAGLY prom. wicked fun :)]. I still think it’s a little weird. It’s like I know in my mind how it’s possible and, though not the norm, normal, but subconsciously it’s still freaky. I mean, scientifically speaking, isn’t GENDER determined by reproductive ability, regardless of sexuality [minus anomalies like hermaphroditism]? Regardless of your psyche and sexuality- why are we redefining basic biological principle like gender? whatever… it’s not my place to be weirded out</p>

<p>On a slightly related note, victimization mentality is rampant in this country. We get so caught up in “fights for LGBT rights” [let’s be real, all that can be done has been done and the rest will take time. eventually, everyone’s mindset WILL be changed, but let’s face it- it’ll take a generation or two] and we ignore REAL victims, like native americans who live on reserves where poverty, alcoholism and lack of education beyond what is required are rampant. we took their land [not necessarily we- i’m part native american but mostly western european, and my family’s been here for a long time, but not everyone’s has] and their livelihoods and no one pays any attention. </p>

<p>anyway… way off topic… sorry…</p>

[romanigypsyeyes]

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let’s be real, all that can be done has been done and the rest will take time

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<p>Really? You think that we should rest before there are equal rights?</p>

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eventually, everyone’s mindset WILL be changed, but let’s face it- it’ll take a generation or two

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<p>Huh… it’s so weird. I seem to remember that almost nothing related to racial equality was widely supported until AFTER it was implemented.</p>

[rotflmaospencer]

<p>I don’t see how someone can be angry in something that doesn’t affect them in the slightest bit…
BMan22 & iamamartian are bat sh1t stupid. Plain and simple.</p>

[Baelor]

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It’s silly that some people HAVE to know. They HAVE to be able to identify the gender to be able to relate to a person.

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<p>I do. Because the gender of my friends guides my relationship and how we interact. My closest friends will always be male. Similarly, my wife will be female.</p>

[xXconfusedXx]

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I can see that.
I’m actually read Blink right now, and it’s about the stuff that goes on in our minds in our subconscious. He wrote about these Harvard tests (Implicit Association Tests), where you have two categories (Black and White) and you have to put faces into the categories. Then, you have something like Good and Evil, and you have to put certain words into those categories. Thirdly, the two are combined to have White/Good and Black/Evil, where you’d have a face to put in, but afterward you’d have the same words as the second round. People were still pretty good with that. Finally, you have the categories White/Evil and Black/Good. The studies showed/show that people (even blacks) are 200-400 milliseconds slower with the last category than the third, which shows an implicit association between blacks and evil. It’s not conscious or desired, but it’s there.
They have the same thing for sexism: <a href=“Project Implicit”>Project Implicit;

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<p>I quoted all of this solely to state that I love that book ^_^</p>

<p>“Mr. Wiggly” hmph. well, that irked me.</p>

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So it was weird because this was real life and not Oprah or Dr. Phil. But I don’t even know what she is. o__o

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<p>First, she may have been a manly girl. I have some friends that are tomboy-ish and super athletic. Usually when one is that athletic, it can make them flat chested. </p>

<p>Second, if she is transgender, yes…transgender people exist off of Oprah and Dr.Phil.</p>

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I disagree. Especially in person, your mind just tells you something is wrong. You just know.

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<p>Oh…so now, being transgendered is wrong?</p>

<p>[/I shall leave the thread, before I become any more irritated.]</p>

[Francaisalamatt]

<p>@romani I think what she meant was we can’t expect a whole bunch of real changes now, and even if there ARE “real” changes (legislation and such, of which there is), it’s going to take a damn long time for people to be ok with it. Look at the situation in South Africa for instance; apartheid was lifted in 1991, and 19 years later there’s still massive segregation between the races and a huge economic gap between whites/blacks.
So, no, you shouldn’t “rest,” but you need to give people time to accustom themselves to these “new” ideas of LGBT equality; remember, they’ve probably held their prejudices for decades of their lives and have raised their kids with the same ideas, so they aren’t going to change overnight.</p>

[panther124]

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On a slightly related note, victimization mentality is rampant in this country. We get so caught up in “fights for LGBT rights” [let’s be real, all that can be done has been done and the rest will take time. eventually, everyone’s mindset WILL be changed, but let’s face it- it’ll take a generation or two] and we ignore REAL victims, like native americans who live on reserves where poverty, alcoholism and lack of education beyond what is required are rampant. we took their land [not necessarily we- i’m part native american but mostly western european, and my family’s been here for a long time, but not everyone’s has] and their livelihoods and no one pays any attention.

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<p>You have no idea what you are talking about. DADT has still not been repealed, congress won’t be bothered by looking at ENDA, and on top of the many states that don’t allow gay marriage, Hawaii just struck down proposed Civil Unions. I wouldn’t say at all that “everythng that can be done has been done.” On another slightly related note, perhaps you can recognize your own victim mentality in the way your “more important” example happened to concern your own heritage. I appreciate your concern for Native American problems - but don’t go belittling people for caring about issues that relate to them while you do the exact same thing.</p>

<p>As for the original trans topic, I just have one thing to say. The sooner people stop using the “I don’t feel that way, so how could ANYONE feel that way?” rationale, the better off society will be.</p>

[BillyMc]

<p>Hm, I think that there might be a confusion between defying gender norms and changing from male to female. Seems kind of mean to assume and make fun of her for it. </p>

<p>As for my comment on the transgender issue: Whatever someone’s moral or religious beliefs on the matter, they need to realize that a language of hate breeds violence. One might think that those of the Christian faith would be the most loving of their neighbors, not building a massive list of everyone they hate. Go ahead, don’t agree with what someone does, that’s not what’s wrong here, just don’t treat them like any less of a full person. Because the one who seeks to alienate another’s humanity by hate speech is always at fault. (See, I didn’t say anything about favoring a side, because this message needs to be heard by all - but is directed at those speaking hatefully of others, which occupy one end of this argument)</p>

[alam1]

<p>ugh, there’s hate even on CC? Aren’t you all supposed to be less ignorant than the typical American? Stop the intolerance on people you don’t understand. Some of you are saying it’s “weird”… yea well, educate yourself. Let people live life how they want as long as they don’t harm others. Gosh. It’s like talking to 3 year olds.</p>

[Millancad]

<p>I’m going to get irate if I seriously discuss this, so…</p>

<p>Gender =/= sex</p>

<p>and MTV’s True Life: I’m a transexual episode was about someone who graduated from my HS. I haven’t watched it and I don’t know the person.</p>