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<p>What is society? How do you define society? What are the hallmarks of society? Why –</p>
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<p>Slow down guys I’m still trying to make sense of “pre-bedouin China”</p>
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<p>No, I’m only an engineering major who happens to be studying at the very school you’ll be attending as well, a school known to be consistently on top in exactly the same fields I’m studying in. That’s a future double major in aerospace engineering and physics, in case you’re still lost. And just a heads up, not many of us hold the same elitist personality you enjoy carrying. </p>
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<p>You keep forming your arguments on baseless assumptions. Yes, employers look for quick thinkers. But LA majors DO NOT, by nature of being an LA major, simply regurgitate information. Get your head out of your ass and reread my post. The ability to think critically is something unique to the person. Someone can just as easily say that engineers only need to memorize formulas to design bridges and spacecraft, and that precious few engineers will ever actually design something new. Engineers, by simple fact of being engineers, are not by default critical thinkers. The problems is that you don’t understand LA majors at all, and that’s affecting your laughably poor reasoning.</p>
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<p>When someone understands the nature of a problem, this person is now in position to come up with a solution. Someone interested in the problems of the middle east, who understands the nature of the problems arising in those countries, armed with the political training to influence others, will be the one who will be best able to handle the crises occurring there. Quit being so narrow-minded and think properly for once.</p>
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<p>No, objectively speaking, it isn’t. I thought we were discussing the usefulness of these majors in regards to the human population? How does knowing what goes on inside a black hole assist humanity? The argument for the continued research into pure sciences is that eventually, we MIGHT find a useful application. Compare this to cancer research, which attempts to solve problems that are already plaguing us. Personally, I think a social worker who helps save a child from dangerous conditions is currently being far more useful than a physicist studying the going-ons of a binary star system light years away.</p>
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You can hardly string together a defensible argument, and your rhetorical abilities are crap. Your arguments are filled with holes, and in this case, you haven’t even provided a counter-argument, opting instead to assure everyone that why yes, you do know what you’re talking about, and therefore you don’t need any logic or data behind your conclusions. You would get wrecked in a formal debate.</p>
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<p>Okay, so the UN will be fine. How about international business leaders who want to converse with foreign leaders who don’t have access to adequate translators? Or we could just move away from the example of foreign language entirely, and look at, say, international relations, or international business, or the multitude of other liberal arts majors which have immense importance in the modern world.</p>
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<p>How many of our politicians are STEM majors? How many of our business leaders? How about our CEOs? You keep repeating that LA majors don’t become anything useful, and I keep countering with examples of where they are. And for some reason, you just won’t acknowledge this.</p>
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<p>I think this explains a lot about you.</p>
<p>AeroEngineer just totaly Pwnasized that nubcake lolololol.</p>
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<p>This explains just about everything.</p>
<p>I never understood why we needed to read a bunch of fictional books in high school english then spend weeks picking out themes and tones and junk.</p>
<p>I agree with aero e dude. The OP is a narrow sighted elitist. </p>
<p>And just because other countries excel at math and science doesn’t mean we have to as well. The problem there probably doesn’t have anything to do with liberal arts anyway.</p>
<p>Liberal Arts is an integral part of society. You don’t just take it away and expect everything to be better. But i guess it’s all understandable, because you’re not even a freshman yet.</p>
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<p>What he wrote didn’t propose that at all… the sentence didn’t even refer to math or science…</p>
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<p><em>If</em> this country wants to maintain its position as a world superpower, it does <em>have to</em> maintain its technological superiority.</p>
<p>Hmm yes and what are the benefits of being a “world superpower?”</p>
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<p>TCBH, she seems to be indicating that we’re #2. Either that or “peace,” which is as un-American as it gets.</p>
<p>i think it was TCBH who argued earlier that its been proven that about 95 percent liberal arts majors (literally ) dont have the mental skill to handle engineering, physics, etc. we need to identify these people early on and redirect them to vocational fields like mechanics, construction etc where at least they’ll be making a difference. seriously our vocational school system could use the stimulus and we could save money. it’s for the best of ALL of society which being an engineering major i’m ACTUALLY thinking of</p>
<p>to the MIT engineering guy, i still don’t believe you AND if you were really an engineer you wouldnt be calling me an elitist. i bet anything that if you really are who you say you are you probably wont be an engineering major in one semester. </p>
<p>and the third thing i wanted to say is that most liberal arts majors become academics and then they go to crap once they get tenure. i personally think tenure should be got away with for that reason. or it should be extended ONLY to the hard sciences/maths etc who arent as likely to get into the indoctrinating waste of time BS that liberal arts profs spread around.</p>
<p>Surely, everyone must bow to the high school junior ■■■■■ and his experience with college professors and real life.</p>
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<p>TCBH, you really want to be affiliated with this guy?</p>
<p>I think it’s kind of sad when ■■■■■■ don’t know where the limit is.</p>
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<p>Generations of “proof”? Where’s this “proof” high schooler? Support your thesis, scientific method. I want to see support (proof, being a 4-letter word in science) for your position. Provide evidence or get out of the kitchen.</p>
<p>We conntribute practically nothing? Um… once again:
LAW
HISTORY
WORLD LANGUAGES
PHILOSOPHY
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<p>ALL Society is pretty much run by the first, hypothesized by the fourth, chronicled in the second and analyzed in the fifth. Contribute nothing? You need to wake up kid.</p>
<p>Obsolete? Okay… so the Constitution is obsolete. The DSM-V which hasn’t even been released yet is obsolete. Neuropsychology is obsolete. Understanding brain function for surgery is obsolete. History is obsolete. We have nothing to learn from it whatsoever forever. -Claps- What was that they said about people who forget the past? Well… you probably don’t know…</p>
<p>I… really find you to be… entirely offensive. You haven’t even GOTTEN TO your first semester/quarter of college and you’ve already written off millions of people in the liberal arts for… well… there’s really no nice way to put it… insanely ignorant reasons with 0 foundation in ANY reality. Either you’re a ■■■■■ here just to stir up trouble, or you’ve been GROSSLY misinformed about what constitutes the liberal arts. You…ex…excuse me for a moment…I think I might have blown a few forehead veins trying to comprehend you. I might actually need to go to the hospital…ohhh my head.</p>
<p>And we’re back… Doctor McCoy says I ruptured several vessels from The Ignorance™ and I should stay off my feet.</p>
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<p>Yeah, this explains pretty much everything, poor baby doesn’t like books. Books? psh, who needs ‘um, he gots lernin’ ta do’s… What do you mean it’s not ironic?</p>
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<p>OHHH, GOODY, CULTURAL EUGENICS! The idea that everybody should be forced into the field they’ll do the most good in whether it’s what they want or not! Cause you know, in Utopia, rights are…something of a myth really. We can’t survive without precious peons (read: slaves) to do our grunt work because that’s all they’re good for. You’re starting to show your true colors dude, “redirection” seems like an awfully dictatoral thing for you to say. How about I “redirect” you to a clue? </p>
<p>No, really? Forcing people into a provision? Really? Wow… um… ok… wow, stream of conciousness ramble here…my brain just BSOD’d gimmie a second…
… Really? You’ve sat through high school… in America…in the not 1800s and… you espouse that logic? Tell you what… you promise me you won’t goto Harvard and I’ll buy you a 1-way ticket to Saudi Arabia, they like your kind over there I’m told.</p>
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<p>Ohh, OOOO, OOOO!!! UMMM… OBJECTION YOUR HONOR – LOGICAL FALACY - NO TRUE SCOTSMAN</p>
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<p>Cause “liberal” always means the same things in all things. You haven’t heard of the philosophical term “classical liberalism” which covers almost all our modern day Democrat/Republican dichotomies (save for the neoconservatives which fall under fascism) have you?.. Oh… right, no, of course you haven’t. Lemme explain something to you High School, liberal as in someone like me /= liberal like in liberal arts. </p>
<p>Professors tend to be more liberal at colleges (in the sense I’m liberal) because higher education tends to draw more liberals than conservatives. Also… your “only professors I like should get tenure” reeks of discrimination. That would be advocating a position of discrimination kiddo, and that’s wrong. But you haven’t taken a law class where they explained the constitution because you’re allergic to liberal arts so… you don’t really know about the constitution or that discrimination like you’re advocating hasn’t existed since… wow… you know? It still happens to my fellow LGBTs so… you might have me on this one, it still happens. You can safely advocate that some people are less deserving of equality than others… You’ll be laughed out of everything except Bob Jones academia but you can advocate it.</p>
<p>-Claps- Congradulations, you’ve truly outdone yourself with this last post. Sir, I salute you… and now I must away to barf up my now ruined kidneys and liver. Your logic actually caused simultaneous kidney failure and cirrhosis of the liver.</p>
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<p>I don’t usually play the age card, but here it applies. Aren’t you still a high schooler? What do you know about the rigor of college academics or my ability to handle it? If you come into MIT with that elitist attitude, you’re setting yourself up for a very lonely college experience. I’m finishing up my freshman year at MIT, and like I said, I’m on track to double major in Aerospace Engineering and Physics. I’m actually doing incredibly well here. Near perfect GPA, leadership positions, career-oriented organizations, and an internship lined up for the summer. Keep in mind that you’re the one sitting at home while I’m actually here on campus. Given all of this, I’d say I have vastly more experience and understanding in what a capable engineering student would and wouldn’t think than you do.</p>
<p>I’ve given very well-defended counter-arguments against your “treatise” and most of your posts directed to me. You’ve failed to provide anything more substantial than a repeat of what you originally said, coupled with irrelevant attacks focusing on my credibility instead of my actual arguments. As far as I’m concerned, you’ve proven that you have nothing more of value to say.</p>
<p>This is too pathetic. I am seriously disappointed that MIT accepted you. Based on what I’ve heard from you here, I really don’t think you’ll fit in too well.</p>
<p>Aero, his location is “MIT '16.” As the college admissions cycle for the Class of 2016 has yet to start, it seems that he is simply being presumptuous about where he’ll get in.</p>
<p>Guys, the ■■■■■■■■’s not even veiled anymore. Get a clue.</p>
<p>1: no, i am not ■■■■■■■■. just because i have an unpopular opinion doesn’t make me a ■■■■■. lrn2internet.
2: yes it’s true that i haven’t been formerly accepted into MIT yet, but I have connections with MIT AND i’ve spoken with people who have told me i am a shue-in.
3: some of you seem more concerned with rhetorical flair than real arguments. Get a clue. and this is coming from a high schooler, you should be ashamed.</p>
<p>as a note of addition, TCHB, i apologize, i had you mixed up with the user “cormy” from the other thread, who DID post statistics about how liberal arts majors have trouble in hard classes.</p>