Trigger Warnings, Safe Spaces and Free Speech, Too (letter from Chicago student to NYT)

Everyday on many campuses there are student groups coexisting peacefully with speakers and others on campus that attempt to marginalize them. You are not hearing about all of these stories bc that doesn’t sell newspapers.

Why look at what happened at Penn yesterday when homophobic speakers came on campus sharing their speech
http://www.thedp.com/article/2016/09/homophobic-protest-button-reactions

and how women students responded to a frat email that was sent out
http://www.thedp.com/article/2016/09/language-rape-culture-flyers-administration
http://www.thedp.com/article/2016/09/open-letter-sororities-rape-culture

“Protesters said future statements and activism will center around policy ideas to enable greater safety and respect for women on campus, including enabling affiliated sororities to host parties and ending the practice of “ratios” to gain admittance to fraternity parties. Progress on those issues will involve conversations with University administrators — some of whom have already reached out to start a dialogue with the protesters — and with national chapters.”

This is just in the first month on campus here -the media doesn’t give a true picture of all of the social justice work being done on campuses…

@runswimyoga, sure. I doubt anyone believes the media gives a true picture of anything. And I at least have never said there is not a place for social justice work on campus. But let me ask you this. The vast, vast majority of interactions between the police and Black citizens are handled appropriately. Do you think this means the BLM protestors are illegitimate?

I don’t know anything at all with regards to the true veracity of this statement of yours -
"The vast, vast majority of interactions between the police and Black citizens are handled appropriately. "

I do know that a large number of black Americans would probably disagree with your statement or would respond with something to the effect of “there are too many black Americans caught up in the criminal justice system”

and I have heard of black students protesting the criminal justice system/ prison pipeline on campus…

But with regards to racial or culture insensitivity concerns by students, maybe some schools and school administrators are more effective at listening and addressing concerns of students than other schools before it gets to a boiling point…??

http://www.thedp.com/page/search?q=black+students+groups+protests

"The administration did not specifically respond to any of these demands in its message, but encouraged students to participate in the Campaign for Community, a program launched by the Provost that aims to address divisive issues on campus — such as race — through collaborative conversations and events. "

There are tons of stats on the topic. I have never seen anyone anywhere seriously dispute the point. Answering your second point, does the fact that some believe too many black Americans are involved in the criminal justice system means that there are no black criminals? In other words, the argument that some protests are handled reasonably means that those which are not somehow don’t count is nonsensical, at least to me.

It is possible for the statement to be true while police misconduct with respect to black people is common enough that many black people have experienced police misconduct. For example, if you have interaction with the police four times, and experience police misconduct one of those times, then you might not have the best opinion of the police, even if the vast majority of interactions (three out of four) did not result in police misconduct.

I am not a good person to ask any questions about the criminal justice system or complaints with regards to law enforcement… I have zero knowledge of that.

The only knowledge I do happen to have is in regards to being a mom with a minority student who happens to work actively on campus in social justice concerns … and plans on continuing to work on these concerns

To be honest my son thought long and hard about which school he would attend and contribute his skills and resources to. In the end, one of the reasons he choose his school was because they have been so effective at listening and addressing student concerns about these topics. He felt the school had developed a true collaborative approach with its students. He doesn’t like or choose to be involved in extreme environments if he has a choice.

“students were handling the Halloween costume issue until the professors threw in their opinions. The professors should have kept their mouths shut and let the students work things out but they didn’t.”

ROFL, dstark. that’s exactly the POV the Christakis email espoused - “work it out on your own without profs/admin hovering”. And that’s precisely what you just said a few posts up was the POV that Luther et al “perceived to be racist”!

You don’t even know what you are saying from one post to the next. Sounds like you AGREE with the Christakises!

@Pizzagirl, can you post a copy of the email?

I think that the idea that campuses want diversity means exactly that. There will be differences in what different groups see and perceive so differences of opinion are bound to occur. But it bothers me when one group wants to exclude another groups or marginalize other groups as if one group is always right and everyone else is always wrong. That is marginalization in and of itself. To create real change is to bring other groups to the belief and that does not occur by screaming, yelling and marginalizing the very same people that need to get onboard.

No, dstark. It’s been posted before. I’m not doing your homework for you. It was PRECISELY the point of view that you just advocated - “you students are mature and empowered enough to work out these kinds of disputes (about H costumes) on your own; you don’t need Yale profs/admin, no matter how well meaning, to do the adjudication.” That’s what it said. And you just said upthread that Luther et al “perceived the email to be racist” hence why they reacted the way they did.

Do you want to take back either your statement above, or your assertion that Luther et al were justified in perceiving that POV as racist?

Perhaps you mistakenly thought that the Christakis email specifically advocated the wearing of offensive H costumes, the more offensive the better, and that’s why you mistakenly thought it was a racist email?

@Pizzagirl , I like your post

@Pizzagirl, I read both letters.

No. I am not the arbitrator on what is justified.

Who am I to tell somebody in the black community what is racist?

If the professor wanted the students to work it out for themselves, she should have kept her mouth shut.

After the first letter, the students looked at the second letter which was from the professor as a stab in the back. They do perceive the letter to be racist.

My 40 year old self would have probably responded the way the professors did.

My 60 year old self would have listened and then said sorry. Shouldn’t have sent the letter.

I think this issue could have been resolved quickly if the professors didn’t act like my 40 year old self.

Here it is.

Remember that it was written because some Silliman students had complained to the Christakises (sp) about the University trying to police students’ Halloween costumes. Someone at Yale had already “butted in”, so the students were already not being left to “work it out for themselves”. Also remember that the Christakises had been house “masters” (sic) at Harvard for 4 years without major incident before coming to Yale.

I am sure you can find something to object to. Go ahead and dissect away.

Remember, it is the job of university professors to shut up and listen to the students. That is how Yale built its reputation. That is why people gladly pay 60k plus a year, so their kids can go explain the world to a bunch of idiot adults. That is exactly what I told my son last year when he headed to Princeton. “Don’t listen to those idiot professors. Remember, you know everything already.”

The fact that some of you actually believe this tripe makes me weep for the state of our culture.

“professor wanted the students to work it out for themselves, she should have kept her mouth shut.”

That’s precisely what her letter advocated. It wasn’t for her or any other Yale admin to judge; it was for students to work out themselves.

This is why you are the most frustrating poster to debate with on CC. Bar none. You advocate one thing and slam a professor/admin/whatever for saying the exact same thing. I know you think you’re clever, but it’s not clever at all.

Its funny. This reminds me of the ‘all or none orders’ on the trading floor. An order comes in to buy 10,000 shares or buy nothing. There are 5,000 shares offered. I say sorry. Can’t fill the order. There are only 5,000 shares offered. The order is cancelled. Then I buy the 5,000 shares. I know there is a buyer of 10,000 shares out there. Cuts my risk.

There are times to shut up and there are times to talk.

@Pizzagirl, I disagree with you. There is more to her letter than students working things out for themselves.

Erika’s message is great. (My only complaint is the spelling of jejune.) It’s a billion times wiser, more respectful, and more community-building than the snotty one written by the University of Chicago dean.

“Talk to each other. Free speech and the ability to tolerate offence are the hallmarks of a free and open society.” Bingo.

More exploitation of the oppressed. Clearly this kid is confused by what college students mean by safe spaces.

https://pjmedia.com/video/latest-safe-space-incursion-wearing-a-make-america-great-again-hat/

Remember there is a bigger picture leading up to her letter …her letter came as a response to another email sent out from the Intercultural affairs office

"Christakis’ message, sent just after midnight Friday, came in response to an email the Intercultural Affairs Council — a group of administrators from the cultural centers, Chaplain’s Office and other campus organizations — sent to the undergraduate student body on Wednesday. The council’s email asked students to be thoughtful about the cultural implications of their Halloween costumes, citing blackface and turbans as examples of details that could offend or belittle others. In Christakis’ email, she defended students’ rights to wear potentially offensive costumes as an expression of free speech, arguing that the ability to tolerate affront is one of the hallmarks of a free and open society. Her email compared adults selecting costumes to children playing dress up, and she asserted that imagination should be encouraged and not constrained.

They criticized her for admonishing the Intercultural Affairs Council’s discouragement of culturally appropriative Halloween costumes. They also denounced Erika Christakis’ behavior during an open forum at the Afro-American Cultural Center Wednesday night. Students particularly disapproved of her attempt to leave the room before speaking or answering questions directed toward her, although she explained that she had a class waiting for her."

http://yaledailynews.com/blog/2015/11/02/silicon-associate-masters-halloween-email-draws-ire/