Tufts v. UChicago

<p>I've been very fortunate in getting this dilemma. Chicago (admitted EA) and Tufts were the schools around which I centred my application process and are my top two choices. I understand that they are very different schools with very different approaches to academics and very different environments. I can see myself being very happy at either one right now. And I'm not quite keen on what all the differences are.</p>

<p>To put it shortly, I'm currently a football player, debate team captain, IB diploma candidate, and amateur policy analyst. I'm down for a good philosophical/political discussion any time, but I like watching football and hockey, and I want to be at the kind of place where asking who won the game last night won't bring weird looks from EVERYBODY.</p>

<p>I understand that Chicago is a 'life of the mind' kind of place. Its approach to pretty much everything is theoretical. I don't really mind that, and I don't really worry that I would come out of Chicago having no practical knowledge or skills. But I understand that it is not the place for the student who always wonders where they're going to use a given bit of knowledge in real life. I am not this type of person.<br>
My social experience of Chicago is limited, as of now, to staying with one of my friends at Breckenridge House. I understand that Breck is far from campus in more than a geographic sense. They're nerdier and crazier than the rest. It's not like I was terrified of the nerdiness when I was staying there, but I would be happier at another dorm and living with a different sort of people. Part of the process now is finding such people at Chicago. </p>

<p>I stratified schools I was looking at into 3 categories, particularly in their campus atmospheres and approach to IR. There were places that were rather idealistic, where it seemed that many students going on the social sciences path would pursue a career in activism. Activism isn't exactly my cup of tea (I know that I'd be hard-pressed to find a college devoid of activism, and I probably wouldn't even want to go there, but I don't want to go somewhere where it's a main focus of the school). I'm hoping to go into policy analysis. Needless to say, I decided against applying to most such schools.</p>

<p>The next type (Chicago) took a theoretical approach to things. Chicago is (was) home to people who I've modeled my worldview after like Milton Friedman and Hans Morganthau (which is odd, given my political leanings). They appear to view the world abstractly and to try to analyse things in theories and patterns. Moreover, the academic experience is multidisciplinary (a plus). </p>

<p>The last type (Tufts) emphasises teaching practical things. This is, by a slim margin, my most favoured approach. At one of the information sessions I went to, Dan was talking about a Tufts student/alumn (doesn't matter which) who was either involved in or was the architect of a partnership between MLB teams and Dominican villages to build schools to educate children and find baseball prospects. It's this sort of practical thinking--changing the world by uniting social welfare goals and practical financial interest--that greatly appeals to me. Moreover, Tufts overall educational approach seems not only multidisciplinary, but interdisciplinary. This is basically what I'm looking for. But I don't know enough about either Tufts or Chicago to make a decision yet. That's what the month of April is for! :-)</p>

<p>I've heard of a bunch of other folks having a choice between Chicago and Tufts as well as other places. Can I get some help in determining how accurate my evaluations are, what kind of people go to these schools (esp. Tufts, since I don't know anyone there), and what other sort of things might help me (and others) make their decisions?</p>

<p>IBfootballer, you are obviously a thoughtful guy and you have some great choices. I think that this is one time in your life when you can safely just go with your gut.</p>

<p>yeah, my gut isn’t really opinionated either way.</p>

<p>Good luck IBfootballer… I don’t know what to tell you because I know nothing about Chicago but I agree with Seashore, though “thoughtful” is probably an understatement. :slight_smile: Maybe go to accepted students day at both and see how you’re feeling afterwards?</p>

<p>I am so glad we admitted you.</p>

<p>For what it’s worth: you’re approach is exactly the right one. My suggestion for your visits in April: don’t overthink it. I just finished reading “How we decide” by Jonah Lehrer and it’s given me much to chew over regarding how one should pick a college. With a decision this big, with so many moving parts and variables, the mind can get overwhelmed. At a certain point, once you’ve gathered as much info as you can, it’s time to stop trying to explain or rationalize your options and to listen to the little voice that will eventually make itself heard to say, “go here.” </p>

<p>When you do your visits, try to allow that emotional piece to take center stage (not always easy for a debater). Your gut is wise, but you won’t hear it unless you step back from all the facts and previous impressions.</p>

<p>Well, what I’m hoping to accomplish via CC is to figure out whether my evaluations of Tufts (especially) and Chicago are correct. Most of my impressions about Tufts have come from you, Dan, as a matter of fact. I mean no offence, but it is the adcom’s job to try to sell the college (which you’ve done an excellent job of :slight_smile: ), and a single day’s visit may not bring me closer to confirming or denying my impressions. I’ve become somewhat wary of schools marketing in this regard (my HS IB magnet programme was rewarding, but far from the academic utopia it was professed to be). I’m trying now to figure out if I’m right.</p>

<p>The rest, I suppose, I leave for visits and talking with people while there.</p>

<p>I understand your problem. My daughter went through the same process when she chose Chicago–she spent quite a bit of time agonizing about whether she was really choosing the school or whether she had simply had a remarkably good experience with the admissions office. Several years later, she is very happy at Chicago. But she realizes that she could have been equally happy at a number of other schools.</p>

<p>I don’t think you’re going to get the advice you want from an anonymous board. But my advice is to make your visits, try to separate yourself as much as possible from the hoopla and the other admitted students. Then feel good that whatever choice you make is a good one.</p>

<p>well, speaking of visiting, I won’t be able to make it up for the prospective student days at Tufts, so I’ll be heading up next sunday the 11th. Can anybody post or PM me w.contact info for someone who can hook me up with a student to stay with, and also who I can refer a friend to (a male student for me to stay with and a female student for my friend to stay with)?</p>

<p>Much thanks!</p>

<p>IBFootballer, I’m in a similar dilemma. I’m bumping this thread to see if we can get a few more comments here. Thanks!</p>

<p>I know it doesn’t help much, but I’m in the exact same place (unless I get off of the waitlist at WashU). </p>

<p>I’m very academically nerdy and I love the intensity of Chicago’s students towards their studies. I’m worried that I wouldn’t find the same intellectual atmosphere at Tufts, though I’m sure there are many people there who are extremely academically devoted. At the same time, I’m worried that Chicago’s student body would be too socially nerdy for me, like IBfootballer, I’m into sports and not opposed to more practical knowledge.</p>

<p>I’m interested in both cognitive science and international relations, and the strength of both of these programs are the biggest selling point of Tufts for me. I worry that I would spend too much time on the core at Chicago and thus not be able to delve as deeply into any single subject.</p>

<p>I’m also concerned that location will factor into my decision more than it should. I’m an East Coaster, and Boston is a lot less intimidating than Chicago. I like that it is a manageable day drive home or to some of my friend’s schools. I don’t want to make my decision on something as small as location, but it keeps creeping into the back of my mind.</p>

<p>Right now my "gut feeling"is pretty split. I’m visiting Chicago for the first time next week, which will hopefully help. I saw Tufts at the beginning of my Junior year, but it was on a day when no tours were offered, so I’m not sure how accurate the feeling I got was. Unfortunately, I don’t think I’ll be able to visit again, so I’d love to hear any thoughts that you have after you visit.</p>

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<p>Wrong! Meet my daughter of some of her peers who are Tufts-bound. Dead wrong!</p>

<p>IBfootballer, you have clearly given this a lot of thought. Both are excellent choices, and you can find kindred souls at both places. The only question is how many you will find; your visits should help to answer that question. </p>

<p>One issue you did not raise directly was what students do after graduation. The Wall Street Journal has studied placement at top business, law and medical schools. Here is the link: <a href=“WSJ in Higher Education | Trusted News & Real-World Insights”>WSJ in Higher Education | Trusted News & Real-World Insights; . You might also be interested in how many students get Ph.D. degrees. Here is one table: <a href=“http://www.swarthmore.edu/Documents/administration/ir/BaccOrSum1997-2006.pdf[/url]”>http://www.swarthmore.edu/Documents/administration/ir/BaccOrSum1997-2006.pdf&lt;/a&gt; . Ultimately you really can’t go wrong either way.</p>

<p>The WSJ chart you linked to has been discussed many times on this board, and the consensus is pretty much that the chart is fairly arbitrary and would be a lot more useful if it included things like how many students applied to each of those places, as there are many Tufts students who don’t do things like law/med/business.</p>