Tufts vs Brown - 2011 - class of 2015

<p>Hello</p>

<p>I've narrowed down my choices to Brown or Tufts, both of which I've been accepted to.</p>

<p>I'm planning to major in English/Literature/etc., but I'm also on the fence about taking a premed track. I might or might not basically. I'm greatly interested in the biological sciences but not sure if I want to pursue a career in it. But I definitely love books and composition so a related major is pretty set. Love reading and writing. Since both are popular subjects/fields at many schools, I feel pretty confident that I can get a great education at either school.</p>

<p>However, I'm really looking for a well-rounded experience. I'm also interested in participating in theatre/drama/performing arts, learning many languages, and playing sports, mainly lacrosse and downhill/alpine skiing.</p>

<p>I'm definitely going to do study abroad. No questions asked. I don't care whether it's a semester, a year, during the summer, independent, with a program, etc., I am going to study abroad.</p>

<p>In terms of community, I'm just generally looking for open-minded, friendly, and just fun to be with sort of people. You know, love to learn and love to play. I absolutely cannot stand arrogance or self-importance.</p>

<p>For professors, I don't really mind because I adapt to many different teaching styles. I prefer the more personal touch but it's not a deal breaker.</p>

<p>Of course, for both students and professors, there will be some bad eggs but since I'm easy-going for the most part, I don't think I'll mind too much. I mean, I get along with a wider range of people than many of my friends do so that must mean something, right?</p>

<p>Location-wise, I was really looking for a suburban setting. I want the campus itself to be a little outside of a city but as a city girl, I also really want the convenience and fun of a city nearby.</p>

<p>Now one of my biggest problems are my parents. Both are Japanese immigrants and don't know as much as other parents might about the whole college process. My dad is a neurosurgeon and did both undergrad and grad school at the most prestigious school in Japan (Tokyo University). My mother only did undergrad and graduated from an all-women's school.</p>

<p>Both are pressuring me heavily to go to Brown because of it's reputation. They fear that I'll feel inferior to all the Ivy students nearby if I go to Tufts, and they also want me to have that Ivy advantage when I go looking for career opportunities.</p>

<p>I love both Tufts and Brown but right now I'm leaning ever so slightly towards Tufts. The thing is, I don't want to disregard Brown but the more my parents pressure me, the more I'm afraid that I'll ignore it just to rebel against my parents.</p>

<p>I'm really trying to give a fair eye to each school so I was hoping you could enlighten me to both pros and cons of the schools as well as anything you think will help my decision process.</p>

<p>I will be visiting both this weekend to get each of their "vibes".</p>

<p>Thank you!</p>

<p>Congrats on getting into two excellent schools!</p>

<p>Obviously people are going to be biased if you ask current Tufts’ students or Brown students, but I will say that I know several people that were in this exact same situation and picked Tufts. So here is my take on it:</p>

<p>Both schools have happy students and nice students (and Tufts does have good food!). And I think both institution will provide you with a lot of attention from professors (both have a student teacher ratio of 9:1). Both institutions will also provide you with smart peers (Tufts 25-75% SAT is 2040-2260 while Brown’s is 1980-2250).</p>

<p>So the schools are very similar in regards to metrics. What it seems like in your situation are your parents and the “prestige” factor versus your personal preferences.</p>

<p>Most people in New England would put Tufts as a peer with Brown. Indeed, Tufts is considered a “little ivy” (it’s part of NESCAC which is the athletic league for the little ivies, much like the ivy league is for the “big” ivies).</p>

<p>Indeed, Tufts is well respected and always on the rise: </p>

<p>It ties Upenn and Dartmouth for 2nd in the number of undergraduate alumni that are current Fortune 100 CEO’s; it ties Harvard and JHU for the number of Fulbright Scholars; and the Times Ranking of World Universities put Tufts 53rd in the world this year (ahead of both Brown and Dartmouth).</p>

<p>So Tufts is a stellar school and you shouldn’t let your parents try to convince you otherwise in that regard (indeed, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, the Boston Fed, Harvard Medical School, Google, Microsoft, Lincoln Labs, CIA, State Department, among many others all recruit at Tufts. That is, they pay money to recruit here).</p>

<p>I think there are several things that I like about Tufts:</p>

<p>First, is the proximity to Boston. The campus, like Brown’s, is beautiful and you can even see the Boston skyline from the library rooftop. What’s nice is that Boston is a “college city”–there are so many colleges and universities. Best of all, it’s not hard to access the city. Tufts is on the red line, with Harvard and MIT. The redline is arguably the best line because it goes through the heart/best parts of Boston.</p>

<p>It’s nice to have a campus and at the same time access to the city. Plus, Davis Square is an awesome place.</p>

<p>Providence has definitely been improving, but most people I know at Brown like to make trips to Boston because it’s a bigger city (with more things to do).</p>

<p>Second, Tufts students are very quirky. To some people, they don’t like that, or they hear that and they misunderstand it. Tufts students are quirky but in a good way. Indeed, the quirkiness is something that makes Tufts amazing. It’s hard to explain. But I attribute it to the application process and the admissions officers. All those essays help create a quirky student body. It’s flippin awesome. There are Tufts’ students who will work on wall street having the same quirkiness as the students who will go to Africa to save starving children. It’s like a good kind of quirkiness, not the annoying weird kind.</p>

<p>As an example, Tufts has, like other schools in New England, its own quidditch team (called Tufflepuffs). They apparently got 2nd at the “World Cup” in NYC. What’s hilarious is that you have these really athletic but brainy kids playing quidditch. As one mom I know jokes, “even the athletes are brilliant nerds.”</p>

<p>And these students aren’t cut-throat, they compete with THEMSELVES and NOT each other. Indeed, working together is a big thing. As is volunteering and internationalism. You will have people interested in a mixture of things—double majors in engineering and english or economics and women studies or biomedical engineering and art history. It’s really cool.</p>

<p>You have such a mixture of backgrounds that everyone seems to be brilliant at something. With the influence of the Fletcher School, there is a big emphasis to help “save the world” or “impact it in a positive way.” Thus, professors will work with students and students will work with one another. The material in class is actually relevant in the real world. While Brown does have the open curriculum, I don’t think students at Tufts mind the required courses. Two reasons: First, the courses are interesting and relevant and second, you can AP out of some classes.</p>

<p>In regards to the things that you specifically talked about here are some things you might find interesting:</p>

<p>Tufts’ LAX is apparently really good (the men’s team won nationals last year)</p>

<p>Tufts has a log cabin in New Hampshire. It’s about an hour ride up there (student groups have vans and make trips every weekend). There, students ski, snowboard, or go camping.</p>

<p>Tufts has one of the best study abroad programs out there (I think Princeton Review ranked it like 3rd this year). That’s mainly because of the focus on internationalism and the influence of the Fletcher School. A lot of students study abroad and it’s definitely encouraged.</p>

<p>Tufts language program is really good (again because of the Fletcher school and the emphasis on internationalism). I remember one of my Tufts friends speaking Chinese with my Harvard friend. My Harvard friend, who is Chinese and speaks fluently, said my Tufts friend, who is Jewish, had “no accent.”</p>

<p>Students study Arabic, Chinese, Swahili, Spanish, French, German, Russian, Portuguese, Italian, etc. etc. etc. The professors are highly liked by the student body.</p>

<p>Pre-med/biology stuff: Tufts’ new president is an M.D. and PhD who is (or rather was) the Pro Vice Chancellor at Oxford. He apparently discovered the gene for language. Regardless, Tufts is reallyyyyyy well respected for kids who are pre-med, pre-dental, or pre-vet. It’s funny because Tufts is known for being a really good pre-med school and a really good school for international relations (very diverse things!). A lot of the undergraduate research focuses on making things, like biological studies, applicable to the real world. There are lots of speakers and symposiums that come in which leading scholars and undergraduates share their work and interact with one another.</p>

<p>English: A lot of people like the English department. There are some really nice professors and the classes are really small. It’s great. And the kind of writing is very dynamic. You have Lee Edelman, who is very well known in his works on Queer Theory and then you have Joe Hurka known for his work in fiction. It’s cool.</p>

<p>Drama/Dance/Singing: A Cappella and dance at Tufts are huge. Lot’s of groups to get involved with and the students here love to attend the shows. The all male a cappella group, the Beezlebubs, actually do the background singing for the “Warblers” on the show Glee (they are even mentioned on the new glee album). They have also performed for Obama, the Clintons, and won 2nd place on NBC’s “the sing-off.”</p>

<p>For Dance, there is a range of styles: from modern, to tap, to jazz, to advanced to just starting out.</p>

<p>For Drama, there are all kinds of things from plays, to movies that students make (and show to the student body), to improv, etc. etc.</p>

<p>That was a lot of stuff, so sorry if I misspelled something and/or repeated things. I think at the end of the day this is your choice, not your parents. You should go where you are happy. And you are smart to visit both schools.</p>

<p>Indeed, no one at Tufts feels inferior to Ivies. There are plenty of students that turned down ivies for Tufts. Tufts is also well respected in New England. It’s also part of the “Brain power triangle” because it’s on the redline/its close proximity with Harvard and MIT (the other two institutions making up the other parts of the triangle). Just be happy and go where you feel you fit in the best. That’s the place you will go the farthest and do the best at.</p>

<p>I hope that helps. Best of luck!</p>

<p>I have a daughter who just graduated from Brown, and a son at Tufts now. Both are humane places, with very smart kids. My daughter is now at grad school at Harvard, and there are plenty of kids from Tufts there too. Neither will hold you back from anything you want to do. </p>

<p>At Brown, your experience is up to you. You take what you want, get close to professors if you want, can design your own courses if you want. If you are completely self motivated, there is no place better and more fulfilling. Brown will prepare you well to make choices and move forward in an uncertain world.</p>

<p>Tufts is a bit more structured, in that there are distribution requirements, and might be better for those who are not sure what they want to do. Tufts also has Boston, and my son loves going into Boston on Saturdays. Tufts organizes busses and tickets so students can go to Bruins and Celtics games. He is thrilled with the location and atmosphere there. Boston has so much more to offer than Providence. And he is taking good interesting challenging courses, learning to work hard, and making great friends.</p>

<p>At either place, you’ll get a great education, and if you work hard, get good grades, you’ll get into whatever graduate school you want. Maybe Brown has a reputational advantage in the workplace, because of the word Ivy. Go where you think you’ll thrive.</p>

<p>@buzzers: I find this post of you really helpful. Thanks for sharing with us such valuable information like that. That’s actually what I look for when I ask someone for comments/experiences about their colleges (:</p>