Tulane admission/aid question

<p>My daughter was recently admitted to the class of 2016. </p>

<p>This was not the outcome she expected--as a matter of fact, she applied without telling anyone, telling me later she really didn't expect to be admitted. Her scores and ECs are definitely up there--but they are slightly below that of the typical student admitted to the university.</p>

<p>She also received a merit-based scholarship to the University as well; the offer is certainly generous -- but nowhere near what she would need in terms of assistance to attend (scholarship and government loans that would cover about a third of the annual tuition). We live in a very affluent community--but we are by no means affluent. </p>

<p>I hate to see her have to turn down this kind of opportunity -- but I cannot see us/her coming out the other side at graduation over $100K in debt for a Bachelors Degree (assuming she'll be attending grad school). </p>

<p>This question has probably been asked a million times before -- but is additional merit based aid available at the school? Or is the award package offer "final?"</p>

<p>I'd appreciate any insight. If what we've received is what we receive, that's fine--but if that's the case, it will be time to start dialing down any expectation of attending in the fall--and giving up her space for one of the many, many deserving students who were waitlisted. </p>

<p>PS--I am of the opinion that it isn't the pedigree of a school that makes you a success--it's what you do at the school you attend that helps to forge a successful future...but that's easy for me to say...</p>

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That is easy to say, but it is also largely true. The nuance of it, IMHO, is that some schools create an environment more conducive for that student to succeed. Highest on the list for most students, although this is certainly an individual thing, is A) the level of “competition” (intelligence, academic preparedness, lots of somewhat different but largely interchangeable terms) is a big driver for many. It is easy for even the most dedicated and disciplined student to “coast” when they are usually setting the curve in their class because they are just smarter/more studious/etc. But with many schools letting students place out of the lower level classes and having honors level courses, this can be avoided to some extent. B) That the overall atmosphere is one they are comfortable with and so are inspired to achieve at a high level. Some students really suffer in large classes, or need the closer relationship to professors, or don’t do well in a school that is sports-centric. Greek-centric, whatever. This is why it is better if a student can get a feel for these kinds of issues beforehand and make appropriate choices.</p>

<p>Having said all that, it is rather a “perfect world” scenario. The reality is that many students cannot get that perfect or even desirable fit, either due to financial constraints, where they did and didn’t get admitted, etc. And yet most survive just fine. Perhaps going to Big State U wasn’t the ideal choice, but certainly all flagship state schools provide good educational opportunities, and some of course are world-class. So while attending Tulane vs. another choice might be better for any number of reasons in theory, is it $100,000 of debt better? Of course not. No school is, not even the Ivies.</p>

<p>So to finally answer your original question, merit aid can be adjusted if there is something new in the record, such as improved SAT scores or straight A’s first semester with a few AP courses, for example. But I doubt it would be enough to really change the scenario. For example, let’s say they offered her $17,000 a year in merit. The most it would change to would be $20,000 so it really doesn’t make a dent.</p>

<p>Did you apply for need based aid? Are you sure you don’t qualify? Maybe you already know, you said something about government loans. Bottom line, as much as I can understand a student having a significant preference for one school over another, it will feel like a foolish decision in a few years when the loan payment is more than most people pay every month for a new Mercedes.</p>

<p>Hope that helped a little. Oh, and if she really is set on grad school, or even if that is fairly likely, then that will be her pedigree as far as her career is concerned. And it is very possible to get into the finest grad schools from any reputable university, and by reputable that includes all the state flagship campuses, and hundreds of others. For example, while no one would argue that the University of Montana rivals Harvard or Michigan in reputation, many of their graduates go on to Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, etc. for grad school. Getting into the best grad schools is more about good grades, doing work (research) with profs in the major so you get good recommendations, and focusing on that area of study to show proficiency.</p>

<p>Agreed on all points fallenchemist – and thanks for your take.</p>

<p>While I’ll certainly encourage my daughter inquire about additional aid (it never hurts to ask), Tulane is likely not a school we can realistically afford.</p>

<p>I’m still kind of scratching my head over her admission though–I’ve looked at the stats of some of the waitlisted folks–and I’m not sure how we got into this “predicament” in the first place. lol. </p>

<p>She’s a wonderful kid–and she deserves admission to the Ivies as far as I am concerned…but I am rather biased. ;-)</p>

<p>LOL, I understand completely. As far as stats and admission, Tulane really is one of those schools where stats alone won’t do it. You have to show real interest in the school, and it helps if they are convinced you aren’t just using them as a safety for the Ivies. They must have thought, for whatever reason, that she genuinely wanted to attend Tulane, and apparently they were right. Unfortunately money makes it not doable, I guess. It happens a lot, with all the private schools especially.</p>

<p>No definitely not an Ivy League safety for sure. This was a reach for her academically (as solid as her academics are) and she is so proud <em>all</em> her skills and talents were recognized. </p>

<p>I have to say I personally admire the school for looking past the scores and taking into consideration her strength in areas that aren’t academic. Good for Tulane–it’s a shame more schools don’t do that. </p>

<p>Ah, well. Onward and upward. I am sure her place will gladly be taken by some other superstar. :0)</p>

<p>Yes, Tulane will have no trouble filling the class again. More importantly, she will no doubt have a great 4 years wherever she goes. I am sure I speak for all the regulars on here in wishing her the very best of luck.</p>

<p>Your kind wishes are very sweet–thank you!</p>

<p>I had a chat with my daughter about the reality of finances (ugh) and hopefully the wound of not being able to attend Tulane was somewhat salved by an equally generous scholarship from another school that came in the mail just today. </p>

<p>She’s disappointed, but she’s mature enough to understand she’d be taking on the equivalent of a mortgage by accepting–and that’s not a great position to be in at age 22.</p>

<p>Incidentally, one of her good friends was waitlisted at Tulane (also his first choice). He’s disappointed in the decision but hopeful he’ll ultimately be able to attend–we’re pulling for him.</p>

<p>Such great kids, both of them. I have my fingers crossed that both land right where they are meant to go.</p>

<p>Thanks again, fallenchemist–you’ve been a great help!</p>