<p>Wow, if you cannot see how your phrasing of statements which said something very different than what you are now trying to clarify, then there is no point discussing it I suppose. Because people don’t get out and protest they are apathetic? That is an absurd contention, and BTW I don’t remember seeing headlines about Grinnell students protesting. How exactly does the average person usually see a lot of protesting and political discussion at any campus? I haven’t seen any concerning Grinnell. I guess there must not be mcuh. Maybe they do, but how exactly do you know Tulane students don’t? Implying that Tulane is not as well known for community service as Grinnell? You must have your head in the sand. Scott Cowen was named by Time Magazine as one of the top 10 university presidents largely due to his leading Tulane’s commitment to community service. There was also a $500,000 Carnegie award to him and the school for the same reason. Wow again.</p>
<p>If you don’t know the details of your “facts” (talking about housing now) then don’t state them. Counting graduate students would be totally absurd, especially since Grinnell doesn’t have any or if they do, very few. Yes, if you called the school they would tell you housing is not guaranteed all four years, that is a fact. Very few get turned away is the reality though. Many do choose to live off campus, as my S is doing at his LAC. It happens everywhere. I suppose in a place like Grinnell Iowa where the school is virtually the whole town, there is little incentive to live off campus.</p>
<p>I didn’t say Tulane might not have more crime, I took issue with the statement of “a lot”. I don’t even know for sure that it has more, but being in a city it probably does. But unless you quantify “a lot”, the discussion is useless.</p>
<p>I do not think taking issue with false facts and poorly worded and clearly prejudicial statements is being sensitive. I think if someone did that to Grinnell on the Grinnell thread you would not be very happy about it either.</p>
<p>I went back and found my notes from my talks with Tulane. I apologize for stating that 27% of students live on campus, the number I was told by admission is 48%. I believe the number was 27% overall and may have included graduate students. Again, I am sorry for the mistake. Is the 48% number wrong?</p>
<p>I don’t know and it doesn’t really matter. Common sense says that since half the students are required to live on campus, the 48% makes zero sense. I think we can let this drop. If this is what you want to hang your hat on to point out differences between the schools, fine. It’s 48%.</p>
<p>“I don’t know and it doesn’t really matter. Common sense says that since half the students are required to live on campus, the 48% makes zero sense. I think we can let this drop. If this is what you want to hang your hat on to point out differences between the schools, fine. It’s 48%.”</p>
<p>I am very sorry that you are so upset. It did matter to me as a parent who was trying to make a well informed decision. I was told this number and I read it in various places. Like the above link, College ******* and books like “Choosing the Right College” and others that I could quote if you would like. The 48% could be accurate if students who live in New Orleans live at home and I am sorry if you think that I am making zero sense. These are for some, very important issues. And, I don’t like that you have implied that I am just making facts up.</p>
<p>As to crime statistics here are the comparison reports. Tulane’s is a little more comprehensive and one needs to scroll to the end of the document to see the table. Not much of a difference particularly given the size difference.</p>
<p>OK, I see part of the problem here. First, that link to the NC State report might include Tulane’s University College, which are local residents. Also, do we know that does not include grad students? Not clear from the chart, but I would think it doesn’t. That report is % living off campus BTW, so that would be 51% on campus, not that that makes much of a difference. But you certainly have to take out local residents. There are about 1,000 of those, which are in fact included in the 7,000-7,200 number of undergrads. </p>
<p>Approaching it from another point of view, the Newcomb-Tulane College has about 6,100 undergrads. That is what is fair to compare to Grinnell. Tulane currently has something like 3800 bed units, IIRC. I do know there are no vacancies in the dorms. so 3800/6100=62%, which strikes me as about right.</p>
<p>Even if my numbers are off, and they are from memory, this whole thing is silly. Not silly that parents want to know about the campus environment, but silly that it is blown up to this level of seeming importance. I wouldn’t have commented on it at all except that your first number of 27% was so absurd, as well as your statement that no housing was guaranteed
Not that housing was not guaranteed all 4 years, but that is wasn’t guaranteed at all. That is what you said.
And that is just flat out wrong.</p>
<p>I never said or implied you made facts up. I did say you got some wrong, and stated others in a context that was very prejudicial and misleading, intentional or not. But I am not going to continue this with you because it is now ridiculous. If you post other statements that I think or know are factually incorrect, I will point them out again.</p>
<p>“Even if my numbers are off, and they are from memory, this whole thing is silly.” </p>
<p>You are correct this is silly and I am moving on. The OP will have to decide and I was just trying to show them the differences. Have a nice day.</p>
<p>LOL, keep telling yourself how much nicer Iowa is in July and August when the temp is cracking 100 and the humidity is right behind it. As for storms, well, if you’ve never seen the thunderstorms roll across the prairie you’re missing a treat, and I’m not even going to mention those pesky tornadoes. </p>
<p>I applaud your loyalty to Grinnell, but, be serious, no one lives in Iowa because of the weather.</p>
<p>If we’re making an honest comparison, let’s look at IA vs NOLA weather from September to May when the schools are in session. I’ll take New Orleans over Iowa every time, but, like I said in my original post, to each his own–maybe you like snow and ice.</p>
<p>We have made it to post # 30 without nary a comment about cow tipping or corn husking? ;)</p>
<p>Seriously, anyone who thinks they will find Tulane to be a conservative campus will be sorely disappointed. Maybe Grinnell is crunchy granola and by comaprison TU might be less liberal, but the implication that TU is conservative is just incorrect. Many of the TU students are from the NE, and the political “feel” of the campus is not dramatically different from many NE schools, IMO.</p>
<p>That is one of the (many) things I like about Tulane. It has a moderately conservative faction which, while a minority, can express itself very well without fear of being ostracized. I cannot comment on Grinnell, but we all have seen what happens at some other campuses when someone tries to express a conservative point of view. Tulane is certainly liberal leaning overall, but not far left, that is true. I award Grinnell the victory in the which-campus-is-most-liberal contest. Let’s all go hug a tree. Or a cornstalk. Or a crawdad.</p>
<p>I know I am going to cause more trouble saying this, but I still cannot believe she equated being less liberal with being apathetic. OK, at first she didn’t specify what she meant Tulane students were apathetic about, leaving it open to interpretation. But then to specify that she meant politically and say that because you are more conservative you are apathetic is just astounding. If you are not out protesting you are apathetic. That she thinks she knows that Tulane students “don’t have much political discussion”. She knows this how? I am still shaking my head over all that, lol. OK, I am done. Some things just are too amazing to me to get it out of my system.</p>