Tulane University vs. Lehigh University

I understand to some I may seem to be over thinking this, but I just got out of the worst four years of my life at prep school. It is one of the hardest high schools in the country and without over dramatizing the situation I can say I have been sleep deprived for three years now. It is very important to me that I choose a college that I can be happy at, considering I have been miserable throughout my high school experience (and this is not the stereotypical drama queen teen complaining, my school has taken the life out of me.) Obviously I intend to work hard at college, but I’m trying to make sure I don’t go to a place that means I have to work harder than I would say at another place. I have visited Lehigh two times, and I’m going for a third on Monday. Whenever i visit I have stayed with friends, and I can’t shake the vibe that I’m just staying with my friends, its hard for me to picture myself there and I’m not sure if that’s because I can’t picture myself at college, or there specifically. Everyone tells me that once you visit Tulane, you fall in love. The issue with that is I live in the North East and plane tickets are over a grand. My dad has pointed out that though they have offered me a lot of money (over 40,000 per yr which I am so appreciative of) plane tickets will be costly. If I go to NOLA not only will be paying for the cost of a big city, but I will have to be very careful about travel.

I know it may seem like I am over thinking this, but I have been in a college like setting for four years now (boarding school) and I know what I’m up against. The only thing that got me through the crazy amount of work was knowing that in the future, the fact that I went there will help me. I know both schools probably offer a very similar education, but I need to also think about which school will help me in the future when it comes into applying for law school and jobs.

Once again thank you to everyone who has been posting! I made this account the other day after being so stressed about my decision. I have been following college board posts for months now and thought it was about time I took my thoughts to the forums.

Can I ask what area of the NE you are located? We have never paid more than $200 for a flight for my son to travel to/from Nola/PA. I’m not sure what you mean about the cost of a big city?

I live in RI, and I’m sure the costs are so expensive due all of the festivals going on right now, which I understand.

When I say big city, I mean the fact that I assume many girls I would hang out with would be going out to dinner, and other aspects of night life frequently, which can be pretty costly. I know this a decision up to me how much I go out, but I want to be able to keep up with friends.

Oh, yeah, flights right now are insane. I can assure you that while there are students from wealthy families at Tulane, there are also a lot of students there on scholarship or with very generous financial aid packages. NOLA is actually not an expensive city (unless you’re trying to buy a house). Many of the eateries uptown are very affordable as there is a huge college population that patronize them. Loyola is right next door to Tulane. I can’t say how much students actually eat at restaurants rather than campus dining. My son doesn’t do it much, he enjoys when we visit and take him to eat. Also it seems many students get part time jobs on and off campus for spending money.

I’m sure you will be fine at either school. You get out of it what you put into it. Both are excellent academically and either way I hope you find happiness at your school!

Thanks a lot I truly appreciate it and especially all you had to say about your sons political science and pre-law endeavors

People don’t go out to eat all the time either. Freshmen and Sophomores are required to be on the meal plans, so people use them. You will go out of course, but it isn’t like NYC. I don’t think it will be as expensive as you think.

As far as the flights, I just checked Southwest and randomly picked August 18 for the date. One way is $208. You just have to plan ahead is all.

You sound like a very conscientious person, of very good character, ambitious, who may be prone to stress. If that is the case, I would go to Tulane. Even though 1/3 of each class does consist of people from the DC to Boston corridor, many of them do not bring down their type A personalities, though clearly some do. (There are also type As from other parts of the country as well, mind you!). The upshot of all that is that you get to set the pace regarding how much of a grind you will be and when. There is likely less peer pressure to raise your blood pressure, if you know what I mean. Now, you may be a “carrier” of high blood pressure, but at least you won’t be getting as much untimely and unwanted stress from other students as you might up north. Regarding law school, give it a rest for now. Just be happy, go somewhere where you can thrive, and I guarantee you a high GPA and a good LSAT from Tulane (or Lehigh) will open up many does to the finest law schools in the country.

Admission to a top 14 law school is almost entirely mathematical. A high GPA and a high LSAT score is the ticket. It does not matter very much what college you went to. My law school had some Ivy League kids; also had kids (like me) with high grades from no name schools. From this perspective, there’s no reason to favor Tulane (USNWR #54) or Lehigh (USNWR #40) – they both would be fine. Both are way better than the college I attended.

Your major also pretty much does not matter – anything from Anthropology to Zoology will do. Your college certainly doesn’t need a pre-law program or a law school, although those can be useful in helping you decide whether or not you want to take the law school plunge.

Pick the school where you think you will do well and have a good experience. But don’t overlook the Benjamins. Tuition (just tuition!!) at every T14 exceeds $50k per year. Columbia is $60k.

My daughter is making the exact same choice. She received large scholarships from both schools. Lehigh is 58,500 net of personal and books, Tulane is about 62,500. After scholarships, Tulane is about $3500 more per year. Both were very generous but luckily my daughter worked hard for it.

NOLA is beautiful, has great fun and food and the Tulane campus is vibrant and the staff overall very warm and friendly. We visited for 5 days as we had never been there and wanted total mmersion. The professors we met with were terrific, warm, highly regarded, well published and from top schools. The school has a bit of everything, so switching and minoring is great. The drawbacks were small departments, in some ways shrunk after Katrina and only slowly rebuilding after being pilfered by other schools. Crime is indeed high and the population highly varied with a low overall graduation rate of about 75%. Med school acceptance was high at over 90% when ch is important to my daughter. Three undergrads have committed suicide in the dorms themselves this year alone, which is very high and thus unusual. A lot of big partiers with a lot of serious students. Minor points include that we are Jewish, so the 35% jewish is nice for us. The trolleys directly to shopping and downtown are great for convenience. I have hired and interviewed hundreds of new grads for the companies I’ve started and Tulane has a solid reputation but it varies by major, as with most schools.

Lehigh also has a very large campus, half a bit urban but mostly suburban. While the immediate area is far from being NOLA, you have plenty of great, award winning restaurants and are an hour to two hours on the weekends from New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore and Washinton D.C. King of Prussia Mall is one thing of the largest, most travelled shopping areas in the world with every single major brand. A pain as a freshman, but get one upper class friend and a car after that and it can be a lot of fun. Lehigh is first and foremost an engineering and sciences school with a very powerful reputation. I’ve hired plenty of Lehigh grads. Education and business are also powerful. Fact is at Tulane and Lehigh other majors in the liberal arts like Poly Sci are great, but never will compare to Georgetown or a Franklin and Marshall, etc… In that vein, it’s what you make of it and what you intern for plus great grades. the professors in general are great, helpful and outgoing as are the support staffs. Indeed, the ones in the smaller departments were the friendliest, like Poly Sci. The graduation rate is about 90% plus and job and grad school placement is over 97% by class. Other points include Lehigh bring consistently ranked as one of the “professional” party schools and one of the few left with actual fraternity and sorority houses where all members live and in their own “neighborhood” on campus like a real subdivision on “the hill”. Most are over 2000 sqft, but many are over 6000 sqft. Both very bad druggy ones and terrific ones.

My daughters choice? Lehigh. While both are great, in engineering, her major is bioengineering, Lehigh has a clear edge with much larger, more sophisticated facilities and reputation in general. It’s closer to home (7 hour drive versus a two hour flight and well over 1000 miles) and she loves the sorority thing with actual mansions and parking lot in front of them. We loved Tulane a lot and they loved her, but the edge tilted us to better academics in her space and the specific social life she wants in an environmental where she was more familiar with and that was safer. If she was an Architecure major, it would have been Tulane, who clearly has the better reputation and program.

Don’t know if that helps. I did go to Lehigh, but it’s nothing like when I went. Indeed, my daughter hated the idea of Lehigh because it was dad’s school. I was actually pretty shocked with her choice.

Big FYI - tours are ok, but not great - meeting the actual professors, major support staff as well as as major students is everything. We did this over freshman, sophomore and junior summers in progressively more detail and narrower by major and university type. The visits led to big files on her at each school she focused upon with every letter, thank you letter and professor interaction recorded. No one does that. It makes a difference below the ivy level.

Thank you for that thorough write-up, cincicollegedad. Best of luck to your daughter at Lehigh. One correction though. The latest class cohort data for 6 year graduation rate for Tulane is 83% and Lehigh 87%. Not nearly the gap you paint. And Tulane’s has been steadily increasing as the recovery from Katrina becomes firmly set in place. It is a bit unfair to take the earlier numbers that were still suffering in the echo of this horrific disaster.

Most of the departments that were heavily affected by this have been reinvigorated with a mix of experienced researchers and fresh young talent. Computer Science, for example. It is true that Tulane has decided not to resurrect civil, mechanical and electrical engineering. As a prospective engineering student, I am sure this might have stood out to your daughter, and to you. But that is now a pretty isolated example from that time. Tulane took the opportunity to institute a new vision of many areas of learning, especially involving interdisciplinary applications. So instead of just learning CS in a vacuum, they have made it a coordinate major so that one immediately starts applying ones learning in one or more of a variety of areas, such as linguistics, or finance, or BME, or wherever else those skills might help advance a targeted discipline.

That is just one example. There are many others. All schools have their strengths, as you eloquently point out. I just wanted to especially point out that improvement in Tulane’s graduation rate and that it is now a lot closer to that of many schools of similar size and character.

Ha! Coming from the west coast but I booked SW flights to NOLA from Seattle for $124 one way on August 18th. Right now is expensive because people head south for spring break but very good deals can be found if you watch for them.

That is a great price! Airline pricing, one of the last great mysteries in life.