Tulane vs. George Mason U. Honors for Political Science

Hi all, my final letter got sent back last week and now I’ve narrowed it down to my two best options.

On one hand I’ve got GMU Honors Program which has a fairly close proximity to DC, good area for internships for political science, a nice diverse student body, seemed to have more opportunities for research and grants and all that good stuff and is closer to home (NJ). GMU also has a better political science ranking than Tulane I think - however the overall academic quality seems to be lesser. Then there’s other stuff like the small dorms/common rooms and rumored complete lack of things to do on weekends which is worrying. I’m not a huge party guy but it would nice to at least be out and about doing fun stuff.

On the other hand, there’s Tulane which has much nicer weather and I assume (haven’t visited yet) a much nicer campus, a better academic standing, a more dynamic area and more. However the distance is also pretty bad, the student body doesn’t seem to be my type (i.e. wayyyyy too fratty/party-driven and snobby) and I’m not sure if I’d be getting a better experience or education by going.

Can anyone chime in?

My son is a polisci major at Tulane. He has no interest in Greek life and finds plenty to do to keep him busy. He is not into the party scene and prefers to find concerts and festivals to go to in his free time, and works out/runs. Greek Life is very big on campus but there are certainly plenty of people who are not involved in it. Just being located in New Orleans provides so many entertainment options on and off campus. My son loves his classes, finds them very challenging, his professors truly care about the students, his classes are pretty small. Last fall he had a class with 5 people in it. They met in the professors office instead of a classroom. He is finding most of his classes are very interactive and discussion based rather than boring lectures. Tulane has a wonderful relationship with the city of New Orleans and there are plenty of opportunities to volunteer/intern with a variety of private, public and government agencies. He is also planning on doing a Washington Semester or studying abroad. We are from the NE so the distance is daunting. But here are so many students from all ares of the country and many stay on campus for Thanksgiving and Spring Break so you would never be alone if you could not get home.

Full disclosure - I work at George Mason (but not on the academic side). I have not yet visited Tulane - but will be going with my daughter in a couple of weeks. Mason has grown way beyond its history as a “commuter school”. There is definitely activity going on every weekend. Student housing has expanded so it really is a busy campus. I will warn you that there is not a lot of off-campus student housing near the campus because it really is in a suburban location. Apartments are also very expensive. There are free shuttle buses to nearby shopping areas and the Metro. Greek life is very understated - as far as I can tell. Proximity to DC does mean there are lots of opportunities for politicians etc. to stop by, you can go to DC on weekends - but will probably find that most people don’t bother. My nephew was a grad student here for a year and never went to DC - the whole year. I suppose it’s sort of like Tulane students not going to the French Quarter after the newness wears off. Mason does have an incredibly diverse student population which is great. I am not familiar with the Poli Sci program so I can’t speak to that. Most of my son’s friends are in the Engineering School. They all seem to be enjoying their time here. (My daughter wouldn’t apply here because it’s too close to home). Both Tulane and GMU are fine schools. Just depends what your priorities are and which fits you better. Good luck with your decision!

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I think what has been said so far is excellent and very representative, at least based on what I know about GMU which is a lot like what @VAmomof4 has said. The other thing I “know” about GMU is that their econ department is pretty strong and tends towards the more conservative, UChicago philosophy of econ. I have heard that the student body tends to run a little more conservative than most as well, but I am far less sure about that.

New Orleans is, indeed, very accessible to students without requiring a car. The streetcar gets you to most of the interesting places you want, and you can bike or bus to other places.

As far as travel there would always be friends traveling to the same place you are, so coordinating flights so that you travel together should be fairly easy (and saves money on the taxi fare). That makes the travel a lot more tolerable. I assume you would be flying in and out of either Newark or Philly, and Tulane draws heavily from both areas.

I want to dispel two notions you seem to have. The first is that Tulane students are “snobby”. I have absolutely, consistently and invariably heard nothing but the opposite for Tulane students in general. Of course any individual student might be a snob, but apparently they are fairly uncommon at Tulane. Parents and students come back from trips to Tulane and virtually always report that the Tulane students were the friendliest and most helpful of any campus they visited, and that they seemed the happiest to be where they were. Tulane students tend to wear Tulane clothing at a higher rate than most other students do of their school. Hardly a scientific finding, but again a consistent observation of people that visit the campus. That says something, I think.

The second notion that I think is incorrect is that because you go to school in or near DC, internship opportunities are higher. I just don’t think that is right. Anyone can apply for those opportunities, and they screen them all the same regardless of location, as long as you are a US citizen. As faithful readers of this forum know, my D (a recent Tulane grad) was selected while still at Tulane to work at the Department of State in DC last summer, and this summer will be back with them, posted in Taipei, Taiwan. I know she also looked at other Federal opportunities such as Congressional situations, and I think with some local political think tanks as well. I am sure there are others. With the reach of the Internet, I think the advantage of being in the DC area is far less than it used to be. Besides, even if I stipulated that there was an advantage, you would be competing with so many more students for those slots like at Georgetown, George Washington, American, and probably Johns Hopkins as well, and a host of other schools in the area I am sure. While at Tulane, you could not only try for those positions, you could also try for local and state positions where I bet preference is given to local schools. Just something to think about, but the main point is she got her position while living in NOLA.

Oh, and I would completely ignore rankings if I were you. They are less than meaningless at the undergraduate level, and suffice it to say I am very sure both schools have departments that are more than capable of providing a complete education in the area.

The great thing for you is that you cannot go wrong academically with either choice. It really comes down to what feels right to you. Listen to your gut. It is usually right.

Well first off thank you all for the bevy of information, however regarding the student body everyone I know that has committed this year are obnoxious, rich and fairly shallow (the type of people that upload 150 photos a weekend). And whether it is true or not about the majority of the student body I’m definitely suspicious of it, especially because someone I know is transferring out because they don’t think they fit in. It’s obviously not all of the population and I’m going to visit before making any concrete assumptons but I am suspicious of the culture.

Well, you definitely have to judge for yourself. I would only say that often people change when confronted with a new situation where being who you were in high school doesn’t work any longer if you want to really do well. That applies both academically and socially in many cases. But I won’t deny there are individual situations from time to time that don’t work out. I think this is true for most schools, especially the private schools that have highly competitive admissions.

Having visited a number of campuses with DD1 and DD2, including Tulane and Mason, by far the worse visit we had was at Mason. At the initial info session, the admissions counselor literally said to the session “Why are you going to College? You’re going to get a job.” We all cringed when we hear this, and cringed even more when our tour guide later repeated the same question-and-answer during our tour. Certainly getting a job is important, but it is not the sole reason you’re going to college. Hopefully you’re going to expand your mind, expand your experiences, expand the type of people you know, and, of course, end up with a career that you’ll be happy pursuing.

This may have been an isolated experience, but we couldn’t shake the feeling that Mason was aiming too low in what it wanted its undergraduates to achieve. Combined with the lack of local life around Mason, my DD’s ruled it out of colleges to which they wanted to apply.