<p>Stanford/Cal rivalries are about as boring as USC/UCLA rivalries - really, get over yourselves, no one else cares.</p>
<p>you’re right. it’s not much of a rivalry right now.</p>
<p>Our D turned down 3 full- ride scholarships so she could attend Harvard and we could pay full tuition . At first I wasn’t happy , but she is working very hard and has decided to major in Engineering because she was really inspired by a professor in an Intro to Environmental Engineering class , something she never thought about prior to college . I am happier now about the money we are spending .</p>
<p>Since the student lives in the Bay Area…</p>
<p>How much is Stanford offering? If it’s almost a full ride, then it would seem like the cost would be about the same as UVA since UVA would require various travel costs for student (and likely parents who might want to attend some competitions). </p>
<p>I may be wrong, but I don’t think athletic scholarships include travel costs or maybe just minimum ones. </p>
<p>If the parents will be attending a few competitions per year in UVA, that’s several thousand right there in plane fare, hotels, restaurants, car rentals, etc. I would think that it might be cheaper in the long run to pay more for Stanford but not have to incur the higher UVA travel costs (if the Stanford offer is pretty good.)</p>
<p>* and $25K for Cal. Obviously, Cal would be the best choice if you have doubts about continuing to play*</p>
<p>That is a very good point…playing for Berkeley would give you an affordable option if you decided to quit the team.</p>
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<p>RML, you are quite confused. I do not hate Cal so much. I do not hate it all. However, when posters ask legitimate questions, they do deserve a lot more than silly cheerleading, idle speculation, and complete fabrication disguised as a “fact.”</p>
<p>In your case, and despite having been corrected several times, you remain unwilling to admit the simple fact there is LITTLE to NO cross-enrollment between Stanford and Cal. I have explained this to you in several attempts, including clearly showing the number of admissions (about 2300,) the number of enrolled students (about 1700) and, finally, the number of students who decided to enroll at Cal instead of Stanford (fewer than 12.) </p>
<p>Fwiw, the OP asked “how often students turned down Ivy League school for less prestigious schools.” This was not really a debate about students turning down Cal. You decided to add that Cal students did turn down Stanford … often. </p>
<p>And that is something you know not to be true. So why continue to pepper your posts with misleading information?</p>
<p>xiggi, NO; I am not confused. Maybe you are. </p>
<p>If there’s anyone who fabricated stories or twisted facts here it’s definitely not me; it’s perhaps you. How “often” do you think I said “students down Stanford for Cal?” I don’t think I said that - as often as you put it out to be. And, if I said that once before, it wasn’t malicious and doesn’t mean to degrade any school, specially Stanford because I am fully aware that Stanford is superior to Cal. So if I said that before, it was to show to the OP that there were indeed students who have turned down Stanford for Cal, and whether they’re only 5 or 2 in a year, the fact remains that there were students who did. And, again, it was not meant to insult Stanford. I thought the OP has to know that too, if I really said that. </p>
<p>I answered the OP’s query on the basis of Cal being FREE and Stanford with a little “discount”. I said if the OP’s family is rich and does not mind the money matter, Stanford would be the better choice. But if the OP isn’t rich and money matters greatly for his family, it’s impractical to the point that it becomes almost silly to invest for an almost the same quality education for a much, much higher price. Stanford is a great school. Heck, I’d rank it number 2 in the world, next only to Harvard. But Stanford isn’t for everybody, including for some of those who have received an offer from them. </p>
<p>Cal - as a university - is inferior to Stanford. I have always acknowledged that to be a fact. But for some students, Cal may be the better choice for them. So why do you always have to insist that every Cal-Stanford cross-admit must immediately enroll in Stanford despite them being in different circumstances? Don’t you think you have to look at this on a case-to-case basis?</p>
<p>All this “who wins cross-admits” is all so pointless anyway, because no one with any kind of positive self-esteem makes decisions by saying, “Gosh, what’s the consensus among other people?” If you personally prefer Duke over Dartmouth (or whatever), then who cares what other people faced with the choice of Duke and Dartmouth do? Well, maybe their tastes and preferences aren’t yours. It’s kind of sad when people faced with what are clearly two-excellent-choices (as would be the choice between an Ivy League and another similar elite school) don’t have the self-esteem to place their own personal preferences and likes to the forefront, and instead think they have to follow the lead of others.</p>
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Well, that’s not terribly accurate, simply because it’s highly doubtful there’s 10,514 additional Ivy admits to begin with. There is, of course, a significant difference between the number of acceptances at the Ivies and the number of accepted students. </p>
<p>For example, let’s hypothesize that one of every two Ivy admits was admitted to at least two Ivies. That drops the number down to 16,298 students. Subtracting the 13,933 matriculating students leaves only 2365 Ivy admits to be squabbled over by Stanford, MIT, and other top schools. </p>
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My thoughts exactly. Architecture is, like music, an extremely time-intensive major. The OP might want to consider majoring in another field (art history? visual arts?) and then getting his/her MArch.</p>
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Are you completely sure? Have you run a calculator? Harvard, for example, gives financial aid even to families making more than $150K a year.</p>
<p>[Princeton</a> University | Princeton Financial Aid Estimator](<a href=“http://www.princeton.edu/admission/financialaid/estimator/]Princeton”>http://www.princeton.edu/admission/financialaid/estimator/)
[Net</a> Price Calculator](<a href=“http://www.fao.fas.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k51861&pageid=icb.page244010]Net”>http://www.fao.fas.harvard.edu/icb/icb.do?keyword=k51861&pageid=icb.page244010)</p>
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The UCs are having severe financial difficulties, yes. The UC I attend is not nearly as wealthy as the Ivies or comparable schools, and in many ways it shows. I would imagine Berkeley would be similar, though I have no firsthand experience. </p>
<p>On the other hand, you can avoid the major hassle – athletes typically get first shot at course registration.</p>
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I think this is very sensible advice.</p>
<p>The OP has wanted to get out of the Bay area, and it’s good for someone to stretch themselves a bit in college. (A VA resident might well choose Berkeley for the same reason.)</p>
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The problem is Brown and Princeton cannot offer scholarships and my parents make too much money for us to receive aid. </p>
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<p>Are you completely sure? Have you run a calculator? Harvard, for example, gives financial aid even to families making more than $150K a year.</p>
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<p>Yes, that’s possible, but if this family lives in the Bay Area and has been talking to these schools and knows that it won’t qualify for aid, then it’s likely that their earnings are beyond the $150k mark…which for the Bay Area is kind of middle class.</p>
<p>Warblersrule, I did not go through your calculations, but they seem a little off. Assuming half of the Ivy League admits have offers from two Ivies, the number of admits who end up going to non-Ivies would be roughly 4,000…I think.</p>
<p>Has anyone posted this cross-admit data yet?</p>
<p>[The</a> New York Times > Week in Review > Image > Collegiate Matchups: Predicting Student Choices](<a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2006/09/17/weekinreview/20060917_LEONHARDT_CHART.html]The”>The New York Times > Week in Review > Image > Collegiate Matchups: Predicting Student Choices)</p>
<p>Princeton, Brown, University of Virginia, Stanford and University of California-Berkeley. </p>
<p>Seems like most students prefer Stanford, followed closely by Princeton.</p>
<p>Then Brown.</p>
<p>Then UVa, and Berkeley last.</p>
<p>Edit: Just guessing from the cross-admit percentages. Though that doesn’t say anything about financial packages/athletic concerns. With a big Stanford discount, it would be hard to turn down.</p>
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<p>UC does have a policy that need aid grants will be at least as much as systemwide tuition/fees for students from households with income less than $80,000 per year. However, this does not include living expenses, books, and miscellaneous expenses.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/paying-for-uc/financial-aid/grants/blue-gold/index.html[/url]”>http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/paying-for-uc/financial-aid/grants/blue-gold/index.html</a></p>
<p>For many household income brackets, Stanford appears to be significantly more generous with need aid:</p>
<p>[Student</a> Responsibility : Stanford University](<a href=“http://www.stanford.edu/dept/finaid/undergrad/how/student.html]Student”>http://www.stanford.edu/dept/finaid/undergrad/how/student.html)
[The</a> Parent Contribution : Stanford University](<a href=“http://www.stanford.edu/dept/finaid/undergrad/how/parent.html]The”>http://www.stanford.edu/dept/finaid/undergrad/how/parent.html)</p>
<p>However, this is not the full situation for the OP, with potential athletic scholarships thrown in.</p>