<p>"going to dinner with Professors, getting a $8000 Dartmouth grant for my thesis research in the Marshall Islands, going ice skating on Occum Pond for my first date with my girlfriend, swimming in the river before class, getting an "office" in the History department for my research,"</p>
<p>Like stuff like this does not occur at Chicago?</p>
<p>Slipper, another example of your naivete is that none of us here have ever said that folks at Ivies are not smart, are not interested in academics and so forth. And some of us here are smart enough to know that university life is a complex mix of different threads, where a kid balances the academic, intellectual, social, societal and so forth. BUT, each person's balance point is different. </p>
<p>You don't seem to understand that some kids don't have the same need for some of the diversions you obviously crave, just like you don't understand that people can see nothign wrong with "puking frat jocks" to use your phrase, while not craving to be part of that scene. And just for reference, I went to Mich. State as an undergrad, home of some pretty good parties, if I do say so myself, and UCSB for grad school, also known as a place to have a good time. Some of us have had the exposure to differing environments, and recognize the advantages of each. </p>
<p>BTW, I never said anything about "drunken fools, nor did I make my comments about all ivies, just cetain specific schools. </p>
<p>Pretty defensive about your alma mater, eh? I can understand why.</p>