U Chicago potentially will be the #1 most difficult school for admission this year

@ccdad99 best guess is that of the 1100 earlies, 700 or so were EDI and the remainder EA. Just a guess. Of the remaining 1100, guessing 500 will be EDII and 600 will be RD.

Another possibility is that they keep it even-steven for all the admission plans, so 550 for each. Given the high yield on non-binding, I’m thinking they might drift to this over time, if not there already.

^Accordingly, RD admit rate would be lower

EA/RD rate probably over 50%.That’s what allows them to relax the ED numbers a bit.

Assuming they admit 1100 ED at, say, near or at 100% yield, and admit another 1100 non binding at, say, 55% yield, they end up with about 1700 enrolled out of 2200 or 77% overall yield. Guessing EA yield would be higher than RD since the latter will be looking closely at other top schools. Probably something like a 75-25 split.

There are others of course - those who were rolled over to admission this year. Not sure how many but there are a few.

Not to cut hairs but wasn’t their yield 63% with no ED (only RD and EA), seems unlikely to go down to 55%.

@CU123 - The 55% is lower because some of the 63% contained admits who would have applied ED, had it been offered. When you take the 100%'ers out, you are left with a smaller leftover %'age.

Who doesn’t respect U of Chicago? When I hear the name, I think of the top intellectual college in non STEM area.

@websensation I think you meant just TE, UChicago is a top school in Math and Science. Not sure what T means besides maybe CS?

@websensation - also in some STEM. We know families whose kids were applying to MIT and UChicago for Math/Physics. Just not engineering per se but @CU123 would disagree with that as ME seems to be working out for his kid.

Update: Ah - CU is quicker to the keyboard and addressed this already.

Yes while UChicago has the nascent beginnings of an engineering school, I know from experience in the field that engineering really comes down to the practical application of math and science to solve real world problems. Seeing that UChicago has top programs in math and science then it automatically has a top engineering program (at least for me), others would disagree and point to the USNWR rankings which UChicago has yet to really crack. Still ME is just one part of my DD education, as a double major in ME and Creative writing she has really appreciated her English classes (which I believe UChicago is currently #1 in) along with her core humanities and social sciences.

@JBStillFlying @CU123 #124 and #125. Assuming an even split of 1,050 for first and second rounds and a 70-30 binding-non binding split for each round (based on what my friend told me is the way the FB page seems to be tending) Chicago’s EA/RD round now has yield in the low 30%. They have pretty much extracted all the sure bets from the non binding pools by now. It is hard to make the numbers work if you assume a higher EA/RD yield if you assume the binding-non binding split pointed to by the FB trend

@surelyhuman - 70% of enrollees makes sense. But 70% of total ADMITS as binding seems a tad high. Still, we simply don’t know the binding / non split in terms of total apps. So this is all guesswork.

The early round was 2/3 binding for Class of '21 (the first year of the new application plans). We know that from the comments that Nondorf made to admitted students in Feb. 2017. That might be what your FB friends are seeing now as they may have kept that split. They will probably admit more RD’s than they do EA’s.

More gaming - if they really do get 40k apps, this will be one reason why (from the Wall Street Journal): https://apple.news/AjQ2zBdr6TSGJ6KCvgF-euw

If it is true, probably it is not the first time this has happened. Chicago is not the first school ever to extend an application deadline by a few days by the way.
Could it bring in a few extra applications ? Sure, but I seriously doubt thousands of applications pour in during those few extra days. Who knows. Maybe, they saw the numbers of a close competitor and a few extra was all that needed to surpass it. :slight_smile:

http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/discussion/comment/17961144/#Comment_17961144

Can’t read the WSJ piece because behind a paywall. Does it actually allege that “gaming” is the motivation? If so, is there evidence that that’s what this is all about?

It is an invariable principle of the Chicago cc forum that any action or policy whatever concerning admissions will be ascribed to gaming. But if the goal here is to recruit the strongest class possible why not extend an arbitrary deadline by a few days? That will produce some additional apps for consideration. Only downside I see is more work for AO’s - and possibly the encouraging of bad habits in those inattentive kids. However, there can as easily be gold in the last pan of the day as in the first.

marlowe1 - I hear what you’re saying, but to me it really seems doubtful. Sure, the goal is to recruit the strongest class etc etc, but I find it highly improbable that the 30000+ apps they already have aren’t sufficiently meeting that goal. Maybe they want to add a few true procrastinators to the mix?

I just checked the UChicago admissions website and there is nothing about an extended deadline there. It still has the RD deadline listed as Jan. 2. According to another thread, their inclusion is based on an email sent to a student who may have started the process but didn’t finish it. I’d think a journalist would actually pick up the phone and call the university to verify the claim. If I could read the article I could verify the other thread.

I have to think it’s about meeting a “stretch goal” for the total number of apps - maybe they were coming up just short of 40k and decided to pull out all the stops. The article notes that Fordham got 1,900 more apps after it extended its deadline from 1/2 to 1/11. The UChicago example cited in the article is of a student who got an unsolicited e-mail on 1/3 offering to extend the deadline to 1/7.

It’s remarkable that a school that aspires to be grouped with HYPS (and on academic measures, should be), feels the need to employ similar admissions tactics (as noted in this article) to GW, WUSTL, RPI and Fordham. They have their own reasons, but it sure looks like gaming from here.

@BrianBoiler - the article says the WSJ reporter did call the admissions office, which said that it “considers extension requests” but otherwise declined to comment.

@DeepBlue86 Look at the link I provided at #133. HYPS may not necessarily be “above” these gaming strategies (if in fact what this deadline extension is all about) as you suggest

The key here is “unsolicited”. If you can have one unsolicited email, you can have thousands.

http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/2124064-oberlin-university-of-chicago-and-other-elite-colleges-extend-application-deadlines.html#latest

Wall Street Journal copied my post last week by grouping UChicago with other elite schools like Oberlin. (another kind of elite school)

To be more effective, UChicago should give out some gift cards instead. I am totally sure that would be effective. We went to test-drive an Audi to get $75 gift card. No intention to buy one. My kid was the one actually did the test drive. Good for a sushi dinner. Only Mercedes-Benz has not offered us gift card so far. All other luxury brands have given us gift cards. One actually gave us $125 or $150??