<p>reddog, congrats!</p>
<p>I don’t think an admit to YPS is out of the question. What then?</p>
<p>rjk,</p>
<p>Yes I’m OOS for Michigan and NU.</p>
<p>Thanks, finalchild. I am flattered that you think YPS are a possibility, though I’m not all that optimistic. If I was accepted to Yale, Princeton or Stanford, I still think I’d be tempted to go to Northwestern for Medill. Although, I think Yale also has well-regarded journalism/communication studies. So I guess it would probably be between NU and Yale, although I think the former would be a better fit for me socially. Of course, this is all subject to change depending on how the finances shape up, and what my parents think.</p>
<p>I also have to admit I wouldn’t mind having some cash insentive to go to Umichigan, but I am aware that for OOS my stats, while good, aren’t like wildly impressive or anything.</p>
<p>^ Honestly no amount of money would make Michigan worth it, certainly not compared to Medill.</p>
<p>^^^ Yeah sure. A free Michigan education vs. paying $240,000.00 to attend Northwestern. Honestly, that is about the silliest statement I have ever read. Congrats!</p>
<p>While Northwestern is the premier school for Journalism in this country, with a long list of accomplished graduates, Michigan isn’t exactly Podunk U in that area MikeJohnson. Even without a formal Journalism school or department, the list of successful Wolverines is still impressive:</p>
<p>Journalism/publishing/broadcasting:</p>
<p>Sam Apple, publisher and editor-in-chief of The Faster Times
Roz Abrams MA, co-anchors “CBS 2 News at 5 PM” and “CBS 2 News at 11 PM.” Abrams has been a reporter and anchor for almost 30 years, most recently with WABC in New York, where she spent eighteen years.
Ray Stannard Baker (MDNG LAW: 1891). Biographer of Woodrow Wilson
Dean Baker, (PhD, Economics) - blogger for The American Prospect
Richard Berke, New York Times political reporter
Oralandar Brand-Williams, reporter, The Detroit News. Formerly producer at CBS radio in Detroit and journalist at WDIV-TV in Detroit.
Edwin G. Burrows, Won the Pulitzer Prize for history in 1999 for the book Gotham: A History of New York City to 1898.
Jon Chait, (BA 1994) - Senior Editor for The New Republic
Jeff Cohen Founder of Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting. Left the group to produce Donahue on MSNBC.
Ann Coulter (LAW: JD 1988) - Conservative author and attorney
Larry Elder (LAW: JD 1977) - talk radio show host, author, and TV show host
Win Elliot, legendary Sports announcer and journalist.
John Fahey, (BUS: MBA 1975) and President and CEO of the National Geographic Society. Previous, he was chairman, president and CEO of Time Life, Inc. He was selected as one of Advertising Age’s top 100 marketers.
Bill Flemming (B.A.) was an American television sports journalist
James Russell Gaines, 1973, former managing editor of Time Magazine
Arnold Gingrich, 1925, was a founder/publisher of Esquire.
Todd Gitlin (MA 1966), Political Science. Professor of journalism and social critic.
Wendell Goler, Fox News White House correspondent
Alan Gomez, USA Today print journalist
Gael Greene, noted food critic.
Sanjay Gupta, (MED:1993), CNN anchor, reporter and senior medical correspondent and Emmy winner.
Raelynn Hillhouse (HHRS: MA, PHD 1993): noted national security expert and blogger (The Spy Who Billed Me), novelist, political scientist
Beryl Denzer Hines, (LS&A: A.B.) a Cold War journalist and TV producer who gained the nickname “Scoop” for her ability to get stories before they became public. She was, from 1954 to 1957, an associate producer for the CBS program “Face the Nation.” Mrs. Hines served as president of the D.C. chapter of the American Women in Radio and Television.
Dana Jacobson, (B.A. 1993) is an ESPN anchorwoman.
Alireza Jafarzadeh, senior Foreign Affairs Analyst for Fox News Television and other major TV networks, author of The Iran Threat: President Ahmadinejad and the Coming Nuclear Crisis (Palgrave MacMillan: 2008).
Leon Jaroff, (COE: BSE EE, BS EM 1950), has been a mainstay for the Time, Inc. family of publications since he joined the company as an editorial trainee for LIFE magazine in 1951. He moved over to Time in 1954, and became its chief science writer in 1966. In 1970, he was named a senior editor, a post he kept until he semi-retired in 2000.
Paul Kangas A stockbroker for twelve years, Kangas has been host of Nightly Business Report since it was a local Florida program in 1979. The show is still hosted from Florida. Kangas’s ham call sign is W4LAA.
William F. Kerby, (AB 192?), chairman, Dow Jones and Company
Laurence Kirshbaum, (AB 1966), founder of LJK Literary Management. He was the chairman of Time Warner Book Group, which is responsible for Warner Books and Little Brown.
Melvin J. Lasky, (MA History), During WWII Lasky was a combat historian in France and Germany, and an assistant to the U.S. Military Governor of Berlin in early postwar years. Subsequently, he founded and was Editor of the anti-Communist journal Encounter, which was in April 1966 shown by The New York Times (Lasky claimed this was without his knowledge) to be secretly financed by the CIA, via the front organization Congress for Cultural Freedom.
Daniel Levin
Ann Marie Lipinski,former editor, Chicago Tribune 1987 Pulitzer Prize winner
Richard Lui, (MBA), is an American journalist and news anchor for MSNBC. Previously a news anchor for five years at CNN Worldwide.
John Madigan (BUS: BBA 1958, MBA 1959) - Chairman and CEO (emeritus), Tribune Company.
Robert McHenry, encyclopedist and author. Editor-in-chief (emeritus) of the Encyclop</p>
<p>Well I mean if you take the extreme of free education vs 240,000, then Umichigan is obviously worth a thought. But I mean any realistic discrepancy between the two probably isn’t going to be dramatic enough to really make Umich worth it. Especially as OOS, I can’t imagine there would be much of a difference financially.</p>
<p>“Well I mean if you take the extreme of free education vs 240,000, then Umichigan is obviously worth a thought.”</p>
<p>Another silly statement. “Worth a thought.” You obviously think very little of the University of Michigan. Your original statement made it perfectly clear that even if Michigan were free, NU would be the obvious choice. I think I will change my opinion of your statement. It isn’t silly, it’s plain ridiculous!</p>
<p>RJ, did you have to include Ann Coulter???</p>
<p>Mikejohnson, where are you going? Did you apply to Michigan? Or Northwestern? What is the basis of your interest in Michigan’s comparative prestige?</p>
<p>That’s an interesting array of alum! I must agree with finalchild though. “Journalist” would be an undeservingly flattering title for Ann! :P</p>
<p>Honestly, I’m surprised she would have gone to Umichigan, given the school’s liberal slant. </p>
<p>You learn something new every day, eh?</p>
<p>Mikejohnson,</p>
<p>I don’t think anyone is disagreeing that Northwestern is unarguably stronger for Journalism. The question is more about the amount of money Michigan woud need to afford a prospective student to make them attend over Medill. For me personally, it would have to be a pretty substantial amount, but I think you can’t accurately assign a monetary value for the difference in quality. Rather, it is subjective and dependent on a lot of things, particularly on the prospective student’s financial background and what his family can afford.</p>
<p>Ann Coulter went to UM law school, but did her undergrad elsewhere. She was in law school class. She wasn’t so much a conservative as an attention-seeking provocateur. For example, I mostly remember her for wearing a huge fur coat in order to try to get paint throw on herself by PETA protestors. I would categorize her as an entertainer, not a journalist. Congratulations on both admissions, reddog. You write and analyze issues well and will find success wherever you go.</p>
<p>Haha! Who would honestly wear fur solely to antagonize animal rights activists?? Oh that’s right, Ann Coulter would! </p>
<p>She definitely capitalizes on her provocativeness.</p>
<p>“Honestly no amount of money would make Michigan worth it, certainly not compared to Medill.”</p>
<p>Mikejohnson, this is a very irresponsible statement. Michigan isn’t some second rate university. It is one of the top universities on the planet. Regardless of what you value, it is one of the top 30 universities in the US (many would argue one of the top 10) no matter how you slice it. A significant number of students choose to attend Michigan over NU, even if cost of attendance is equal. I did. But if Michigan costs significantly less to attend than Northwestern, and money is a concern, Michigan is the obvious choice.</p>
<p>Let us remember that Journalists aren’t doctors. In their prime, they are lucky if they can make 6-figure pay. Coming out of college, a $35-$40k salary is considered “big time”. If reddog stated that a financial incentive from Michigan would make him consider the attending, clearly, money is a criterion. To most college students, even a $15k/year difference in cost is significant. If money were not a factor (either because of family wealth or because cost of attendance is comparable), Medill is the obvious choice over virtually any college option. But if money is a concern, several universities would be worth considering over Medill if the price were right, and Michigan is certainly one of them. </p>
<p>While Michigan does not have a Journalism major, it offers plenty of opportunities for aspiring writers, including one of the best (definitely one of the top 10 of its kind), and now wealthiest, Creative Writing programs in the US, a highly regarded English department, two respected and entirely student-run newspapers (the Daily and the Review) etc… Eight Michigan Daily writers (and an additional 11 Michigan alums) went on to win the Pulitzer Prize. Michigan also has a residence hall (North Quad) dedicated to students interested in all sorts of media communications and international studies.</p>
<p>Coulter did her undergrad at my other alma matter, Cornell. One could say that we travel in the same circles! ;)</p>
<p>“Regardless of what you value, it is one of the top 30 universities in the US (many would argue one of the top 10)”</p>
<p>The Princeton Review conducts our annual College Hopes and Worries Survey of college applicants and parents of applicants to report on their expectations and experiences surrounding the college application process. Respondents are readers of our annual “Best Colleges” guidebook and users of our website.</p>
<p>Findings for our 2013 survey are based on responses from 14,125 people: 9,955 college applicants and 4,170 parents of applicants. They came from across America, representing all 50 states and DC. Some replied from countries abroad.</p>
<p>Some of our key findings are below. Also, check out our favorite words of advice from students and parents.</p>
<p>What “dream” college do you wish you (your child) could attend if acceptance and/or cost were not issues? (fill in the blank)</p>
<p>Students
Parents </p>
<p>1
Stanford University
Stanford University </p>
<p>2
Harvard College
Harvard College </p>
<p>3
Columbia University
Princeton University </p>
<p>4
New York University
University of Notre Dame </p>
<p>5
Princeton University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology </p>
<p>6
University of California - Los Angeles
Yale University </p>
<p>7
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
New York University </p>
<p>8
Yale University
Brown University </p>
<p>9
University of Michigan – Ann Arbor
Columbia University </p>
<p>10
University of California - Berkeley
University of Michigan – Ann Arbor </p>
<p>Look at that, Michigan is in the top ten by both students and parents.</p>
<p>If finances are a nonissue, Northwestern is the clear choice. Medill is the best and virtually no other journalism school, even those of HYPS, rivals it.</p>
<p>“If finances are a nonissue, Northwestern is the clear choice.”</p>
<p>No kidding!</p>
<p>Only one of these universities is on the “dream school” listing…</p>
<p>I remember the Ann Coulter/Keith Olbermann argument about Olbermann getting a degree from a part of Cornell Ann did not respect… argument could have been pulled straight from some CC threads… Classic!</p>
<p>Reddog, </p>
<p>Why do you think you were admitted to NU/Medill? Prospective student would love to know. Also, was your SAT single sitting or super scored.</p>
<p>I’m not entirely sure, honestly. I think I was just an overal strong applicant. I listed my stats on the other page. I think my essays were pretty strong, as well as my letters of recommendation. I also won a regional writing competition.
I didn’t study at all for the SAT and only took it once. I was a tad disappointed with a 2290, and I knew I could have done better if I had done some SAT preparation. The curve for SAT math the time I took it was also annoyingly steep. I only missed one of the 54 math problems and that amounted to a 40 point deduction (760/800).
I was going to take the SAT a second time but I ended up just leaving it.</p>
<p>I think above all else I was probably just lucky. Plenty of equally, if not more impressive applicants frequently get turned down. That’s the name of the game when you apply to uber-selective schools though.</p>