U. Minnesota student government rejects annual recognition of 9/11

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/11/15/u-minnesota-student-government-rejects-annual-recognition-of-911-citing-in-part-potential-perpetuation-of-islamophobia/

A moment of silence, recognition of the loss of 3000 lives, … a threat to someone’s safe space? I don’t even know where to start on trying to process the “logic” of a decision like this.

“The passing of this resolution might make a space that is unsafe for students on campus even more unsafe,” said Algadi (Director of Diversity and Inclusion David Algadi), “Islamophobia and racism fueled through that are alive and well.”

Algadi added that holding a moment of recognition over a tragedy committed by non-white perpetrators could increase racist attitudes on campus, asking, “When will we start having moments of silence for all of the times white folks have done something terrible?”

Article in the student newspaper is at http://www.mnrepublic.com/msa-rejects-moment-of-recognition-resolution-for-911/ .

Proposal is at https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTknkI_WwAAv4Gt.jpg .

There may be some background (partisan?) politics around the proposal and vote that may not be obvious to outside readers. Or perhaps typical apathy for student government elections may exist there, meaning that a small group of out-of-mainstream voters elects representatives who reflect rather out-of-mainstream viewpoints.

http://www.mnrepublic.com/msa-and-umn-attempt-to-justify-failure-of-911-resolution/

Follow up article from the student newspaper. The Vice Provost for Student Affairs and Dean of Students at the University tried to deflect criticism by stating the the measure failed due to “logistical reasons". However, the article states there is no basis for that based on accounts from MSA members.

36 students voted against the measure. That’s a lot of out-of mainstream voters.

Or lack of mainstream voters voting (more likely).

It would be nice if people posted articles from non-partisan sources, or at least ones that try to be.

Like the Washington Post.

http://www.mnrepublic.com/umn-students-hold-candlelight-vigil-for-paris-baghdad-and-beirut/

Apparently the MSA didn’t deem a vigil for these victims to be “Islamaphobic”. L-)

MSA is not only incompetent, but hypocritical as well. Double bonus!!

D1 loved her time there, but was definitely ready to move on. She got a little tired of hearing about all the white privilege she supposedly had…yet could never seem to find. :-w

http://fusion.net/story/192155/why-is-isis-recruiting-young-people-in-minnesota/

Refugees…terrorist recruiting problem…why does this all sound familiar? We have 85,700 Somalis in the United States, around 25,000 of whom live in Minnesota. Hmmm…oh, yea, now I remember…

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/europe/us-to-increase-admission-of-refugees-to-100000-in-2017-kerry-says.html?_r=1

The reasons are a little nearsighted here, but like it or not, at some point you stop recognizing events. Pearl Harbor, JFK are two that pop to mind that we really don’t pay any attention to outside of a single ceremony such as the annual recognition at Pearl. It would not surprise me if 9/11 became that way in the near future and the only ceremony/observation would be at the site in Manhattan.

Don’t forget the Pentagon attack or Flight 93. The students who made this decision were between 5 and 10 years old when 9/11 happened. They probably do not remember the significance of what happened, or that we are still in the same conflict many years later.

With all due respect, I don’t see the need for an official college recognition of 9/11. Those who wish to reflect upon it are, of course, welcome to do so, to take a moment of silence and so forth. But I don’t routinely see cities or other communities (except those directly involved) doing so. At this point, September 11 gets treated as just another day where people travel, go to dinner, etc like any other day. The immediacy has passed.

@Matmaven The Volokh conspiracy is a blog that happens to be hosted on the Washington Post’s website, and it pretty much independent of them. And in particular, they state that “We’re generally libertarian, conservative, centrist, or some mixture of these, though we don’t toe any party line, and sometimes disagree even with each other.”

Do you think the article is inaccurate?

Later in the WashPo blog that raises this issue, the explanation is that a student suggested this with no plan of how to implement it. Would it be one minute and if so when? Or several as in the NYC tributes each year (for each plane and then for when the towers fall). How would a large campus implement this? They also asked how (and if) other colleges do this. They reportedly asked this of the student that suggested this prior to the vote but he had no answers. They invited him back for reconsideration later. The student quoted makes the point about safe space, but others raised logistical questions. It would certainly be fairer to those students to read/share points made in the entire piece.

@mom2and Where in the blog does it state they asked the student “Would it be one minute and if so when? Or several as in the NYC tributes each year (for each plane and then for when the towers fall). How would a large campus implement this? They also asked how (and if) other colleges do this. They reportedly asked this of the student that suggested this prior to the vote but he had no answers”. Where is it reported he had no answers?

http://www.mnrepublic.com/msa-and-umn-attempt-to-justify-failure-of-911-resolution/

In a follow-up piece in the student newspaper, which I previously posted, it was stated by the Provost that there was concern around logistics and that was the issue. However, it was stated in the article that:

“voting members of the MSA disagree with both the Provost’s and MSA’s public statement’s characterization of the events at forum.” No issues regarding logistics were brought up in the meeting.

“The only concern that was brought up was the fact that the resolution could increase Islamophobia, and bring negative hostility,”

“the same people who voted to end discussion early, didn’t offer any amendments or changes to the resolution to find compromise,” which as a result “shows a lack of effort.”

So they voted to end the discussion early. How exactly does that demonstrate a willingness to discuss logistics or any other aspects of the resolution?

And if there were questions about logistics, wouldn’t you table the resolution and not vote on it until any outstanding questions could be resolved?

Not buying it, at all.

It’s not so much the “not recognizing” part that irritates me, it’s the BS politically correct reasoning behind it that I find offensive. Since when did remembering the victims of an event somehow get twisted into “Islamaphobia and racism”? No one was suggesting that the students take a minute to renew their hatred of Muslims, yet these knuckleheads are allowed to twist it to their interpretation and claim it’s somehow offensive.

Every day lately brings new and better reasons to steer kids towards online universities.

This is the way our system works. A resolution is made, discussed, and voted upon. As long as nobody was pressured to vote a certain way, then these students did nothing wrong. Students who don’t agree can (a) hold their own private ceremonies and (b) resolve to develop more persuasive arguments in future elections.

Based on the actual resolution itself, it looks more like a symbolic resolution urging the administration to do something. If it passed, it would be sent on to the administration and quietly forgotten.

This has all the earmarks of a manufactured controversy—a publicity stunt by a politically motivated group of students, designed to embarrass the university administration and the Minnesota Student Association, the student government organization. This wasn’t a big issue on campus. As best I can tell, it wasn’t even reported in the Minnesota Daily, the student-edited campus newspaper. It was a conservative/libertarian blog calling itself the Minnesota Republic that made a big stink about it and called it to the attention of Eugene Volokh, a conservative/libertarian blogger who dutifully “reported” what the Minnesota Republic had told him in his blog, which the Washington Post website carries—without doing any independent investigation of his own, because, hey, he’s a blogger, he doesn’t need facts, he just needs controversy. The Minnesota Republic then used this mention in Volokh’s blog to breathlessly “report” that “the University of Minnesota-Twin Cities found itself under nationwide scrutiny this past week” over an obscure vote on one of dozens of non-binding resolutions that routinely come before the Minnesota Student Association.

The most credible account of what really happened comes from a statement issued by the Minnesota Student Association itself. The resolution failed by a vote of 23 in favor, 36 opposed, with 3 abstentions. According to the MSA, the resolution was discussed in committee earlier in the week and its author was asked whether a moment of silence in remembrance of 9/11 was observed on other large campuses, and how the University of Minnesota-Twin cities would go about implementing such an event across a sprawling campus of over 50,000 students and several thousand employees engaged in disparate classes, labs, extracurricular activities, worksites, job duties, etc. These are legitimate questions, IMO. I’ve taught at three large university campuses and none of them has ever observed a campus-wide moment of silence in remembrance of 9/11 or anything else, and as far as I know, it would be unprecedented at the University of Minnesota. It’s at least worth doing a little investigation and thinking through the details. Do you make it mandatory that everything just stop at the exact same moment–put down all your books and computers everywhere on campus, shut down your lab experiments, cease all active medical care in the medical center and the campus health center, all employees stop whatever they’re doing at that moment, no one answers the phones, etc? Do you exempt some “essential” functions, and if so, which ones? Do you confine it to classrooms? Do you require each professor to hold a moment of silence in each class that meets that day, so there’s not a single campus-wide moment, but students who happen to have four classes that day end up with four moments of silence? What are we even talking about here? The student proposing the resolution had no answers to these questions, so the committee asked him to do some research on what, if anything, was done elsewhere, and come up with some proposals on what the thing would look like, and an action plan as to how to carry it out. He did none of that; instead he brought it directly to the full legislative body. There he was again asked whether he had done any research on what was done elsewhere, as the committee had requested. He hadn’t. He was then asked whether he had any more specific proposals as to how it could be implemented. He had none. According to the MSA statement, concerns were expressed by some students about such an event stoking Islamophobia, but many of those who ended up voting “No” said they supported the concept in principle, but it was such a poorly researched and poorly thought-through proposal that they couldn’t support it in its present form. Some apparently offered to work with the proponent to try to develop a stronger and more specific proposal, with a realistic action plan attached.

Clearly intent on fanning the flames, the Minnesota Republic blog promptly labeled the MSA’s statement “flawed and factually inaccurate excuses.” How do we know the MSA’s account was “flawed and factually inaccurate”? Well, because the Minnesota Republic “received comments from” a grand total of 3 MSA student representatives and “not one mentioned that logistics played a role in the resolution’s failure.” But wait. There were 62 MSA representatives present and voting when the resolution came up. There’s no indication that the Minnesota Republic made any fair effort to canvass a larger and more representative sample of those voting. At least some of them must agree with the MSA’s official statement; that didn’t just drop out of the sky, presumably it came from MSA members who were present and voting, and most likely from the key MSA leaders. But the Minnesota Republic has no interest in doing actual reporting that might get to the bottom of what really happened because they have a ready-made answer that suits their political agenda: it was “the politically correct culture of MSA and the University” that "created an environment where passage of a resolution to remember the victims of 9./11 violated some student’s ‘safe spaces.’ "

I’m sorry, that’s not journalism, it’s just pure political spin.