<p>Constable, how do you find the workload at Ann Arbor? Is it significantly harder than Dearborn, moderately harder, or slightly harder? Was it hard for you to get used to? I know its hard to quantify difficulty as "significantly harder" or "slightly harder", but I'm very curious as I will be attending Ann Arbor as of Fall. Thanks!</p>
<p>Also, do you know if transfers are eligible for any UM scholarships? (I am going to LSA)</p>
<p>A friend of mine transferred from UMD to Ann Arbor and said that the difference in academic quality between the two colleges was incomparable. So I'd say it is significantly harder. UMD is like high school.</p>
<p>Anyone else?</p>
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<p>I just transferred from Dearborn to Ann Arbor this winter as a sophomore in engineering. I would have to say the workload is MUCH greater. I can't say if that is due to a difference in campuses or classes, but I routinely spend 15-20+ hours a week on homework for each of my two engineering classes. Also, I recieved a $10,000 scholarship from the CoE, probably because I transferred with a 3.97.</p>
<p>Aside from that, there is absolutely no comparison between Dearborn and Ann Arbor. While at Dearborn, I always added the "Dearborn" when I told people where I went to school, simply because I didn't feel like I was at Michigan.</p>
<p>Alexandre, interesting to know "EVERY" person outside Michigan knows there are multiple campuses. That is good to know!</p>
<p>To the OP, I would advise you to consider living on campus, to get that Michigan "experience" people are talking about. It is also an added bonus when I remember that I am living at the University of Michigan.</p>
<p>Also, if people did not notice, the Dearborn diplomas do in fact say Dearborn.</p>
<p>I’m going to resurrect this to ask something of the users rather than about the schools themselves. Why does the “workload” matter? Isn’t the goal to understand the material? If all you’re after is homework and superficial “prestige”, why are any of you even attending university?</p>
<p>I also don’t think Dearborn is getting it’s fair chance; I’ll use a little secret kept in the Lansing area that seldom ever reaches the ears of outsiders. Lansing Community College’s math and science courses are more rigorous than MSU’s. How could the ‘lowly’ community college possibly perform better than a school with it’s own particle accelerator? Well, the short answer is that MSU has a terrible board of trustees that’s notorious for wasting money on all the wrong things. The longer version is that MSU’s instructor’s tend to not give a rat’s ass, being exceptionally lazy about the actual teaching of the course (all sorts of “cheats” like pre-tests and grade curves). There’s also a good chance you’ll get one that knows English only as their second language, or be taught by the graduate army instead. There are also the smaller things, like the fact that LCC’s grading scale is actually more challenging than MSU’s. In contrast, all but one full-time instructor speaks fluent English, every one of them is willing to sacrifice portions of their real lives to make sure you know the material, and there is no pre-test or bell-curve foolishness - you get the grade you get and that’s the end of it. MSU will never admit this, but both schools quietly agree that LCC’s math/science students do perform better.</p>
<p>Knowing this, why is everyone so quick to pile on the school without citing any specific reasons for why? No, “Ann Arbor’s got more homework” doesn’t count.</p>
<p>^Good point, and while one goal is to understand the material, which probably depends more on the class and teacher than the school, there are other goals too. Employment opportunities are important. Research opportunities (for some) are important.</p>
<p>^^^^^^ LMAO!!! U OF M…pause…DEARBORN haha.</p>
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I would agree that Ann Arbor is the place to go for research - as a grad student. You don’t need to be in their roughly-six-credit undergrad research program, but hey, it might be fun. You also might need a job. As for getting employed, I honestly haven’t been thinking much about that, thanks to majoring in the invincible computer science. I’m also planning for the possibility of grad school at Ann Arbor, which sort of negates the unemployment issue after undergrad thanks to the paid lab position that you’d probably sign up for. But if you’re not like me - someone who isn’t as thrilled by the private sector as most - then sure, perception will probably be more important to you. But I personally that’s a failure of society rather than a success for Michigan.
Is this supposed to mean something?</p>
<p>wow. why are the two even being compared??? just because they both have the name U of M stuck to the beginning?? just for the record, ann arbor campus is the university of michigan people know and are impressed with. very few people care, or even know about the other campuses. ann arbor campus is the public ivy, and the ann arbor campus is what people talk about when they refer to great universities. if the OP asked this question, i doubt he even got into ann arbor lol, u got to smarter than that to compare the two. and why the hell do people care what the diplomas look like?</p>
<p>^ he lives in dearborn, or really close to it, so it kinda makes sense that he’s conflicting.</p>
<p>The comparison between the 2 UM schools is analogous to Cornell College and Cornell University. :)</p>
<p>^haha, it’s like someone who goes to any of the UC campuses saying that they de facto go to Cal.</p>
<p>I am commuting for an hour every day at the moment for spring and summer semesters and it sucks, horribly. I don’t think I could do it every day for the whole year. I am just taking one class, and just going to that class and back takes up over four hours of my day, and I spend at minimum two hours a day sitting in bumper to bumper traffic. After sitting in the car that long I am utterly lethargic and useless when I get home. If I were taking even more classes it would be more, I would be away from any place that feels like “home” literally the entire day, plus I’d be making trips for any club meetings or sporting events or social outings I want to attend. I don’t particularly care about prestige, so to me I don’t know if it would be worth it. If you do, then it probably would be worth it. My parents tried to make me go to dearborn and for me the prestige issue wasn’t even a factor, I just freaking hate commuting to school and feeling like I am living out of my car for 10 hours a day.</p>
<p>I came across this thread looking to see what the differences are in the Universities because I am a 15yr professional looking for an UM-D Online degree in MS in Information Systems and Technology (Available Online). I live in Illinois and always wanted to go UM and found this online program. For me it is the closest thing to UM I will get and if the piece of paper looks like UM even better. But for someone entering as an undergrad program or full time student it makes a big deference if you went to UM or UM-D. If you get accepted into UM go to UM, but if you don’t want to go because you feel more comfortable living at home try getting out of your bubble and experience life. Otherwise you never will.</p>
<p>I won’t deny the empirical nature of UM-Ann Arbor, but many universities have satellite campuses, much in the same formulation as us. I was accepted to both UM-Ann Arbor and UM-Flint MBA programs, and I ended up choosing Flint. Primarily because UM-Ann Arbor is too busy for me, and I’d like the opportunity to gain wisdom from my professors 1-on-1. If people are so focused on the ‘where’, then obviously they don’t understand the central premise of education. Sure, I’ll complete an MBA program and get my piece of paper, but it really means nothing. It is you who makes the degree, and you who applies the knowledge, not the school, or the piece of paper. What I really find interesting is that at all Universities, the faculty have diverse backgrounds and PhD’s from various universities. So, are you really focusing on knowledge here, or the name and location of the school? No MBA student or graduate is equal to any other, so I don’t understand what all the fuss is. What you all have succumb to is marketing and branding, general consumer behavior. I’m a regional member of MENSA, my IQ is 167, and…if I wanted, I could go to Hobunk Uni and get a degree and still be more successful than a Harvard graduate. This is because it is about what I am capable doing and capable of knowing, not a piece of paper. We’d all be equals in that sense. As a matter of fact, if prestige and the pursuit of wealth is the implied metric, why is that the most wealthy of the world don’t have degrees at all? Could it be that our personality, our passion or desires the real foundation for success? We currently rank 12th in the world in education, yet we grow vastly, why could that be? Could it be that we have more confidence than any other country? Would this not fall under the same category as Pygmalion, proving my observations? It is like walking up to a person and saying, “Here is my piece of paper from the campus you like”. If that is the mindset here, then I think you need a new concept. Yes, I am slightly hypocritical here because I go to college, but it was a choice and not a necessity. Oh, how could we have ever survived or applied logic when we were cave men without degrees? Think about what it really is…education is portrayed to be horizontal, yet individualism is the driver. Therefore, before you really focus so much time on, “My shoes are Nike, not Reebok like yours”, really sit and think about the difference. You are the difference, not the societal norms. It is what you seek, what you take, and what you do. NOT where you went to school.</p>
<p>dpringle, I am not sure I follow your logic. For certain degrees, especially Business and Law, WHERE you go to school matters a great deal. I cannot see how one can condone choosing is significantly weaker program to benefit from a more intimate environment. If you want small and personal, you could easily have gone to a top 30 MBA program with fewer than 200 students per graduating class. Carnegie Mellon (Tepper), Yale, Washington University (Olin), Ohio State etc…all fit the bill.</p>
<p>The degrees are basically the same, the education however is better at Dearborn. Professors are more accessible because they don’t have to waste their time earning grant and research funding, which is required for associate profs at Ann Arbor. They also have smaller class sizes, better parking, and you don’t get the stink of Ann Arbor snobs all over yourself when you go to class. Having attended several universities during my college career, U of M is awesome, Ann Arbor sucks.</p>
<p>^^You signed onto CC just to deliver this dribble?</p>
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<p>lol…</p>
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