<p>bearcats, am I in a time warp and today is April 1?</p>
<p>That’s a bunch of nonsense. I’ve spoken to a number of recruiters about UA so I know otherwise.</p>
<p>And I’ve exchanged emails with UA CS grad (BS/MS/PhD) who works for Google.</p>
<p>I’ve spoken to a couple recruiters about UA and I know otherwise to what you know otherwise.</p>
<p>And I’ve exchanged emails with UA CS grad (BS/MS/Phd) who tells me recruiting really sucks.</p>
<p>I also called up Saban today and he told me he pays players.</p>
<p>See what I did there?</p>
<p>And you can always find exception to a general fact. But the point I was trying to make is, if you goal is set high, you are exponentially better off staying away from a low tier school like Bama; but if you are content with a ordinary F100 gig (and there’s nothing wrong with that), I don’t think the difference between attending either school is that big.</p>
<p>I understand why you are in denial though. Every kid is special and a genius in the parents’ eyes. Every kid’s school is amazing in the parents’ eyes. Every kid will achieve great things in the parents’ eyes.</p>
<p>I don’t really understand your need to be so snarky, but have a good weekend and try to get some R&R.</p>
<p>Bearcats, are you special?</p>
<p>Of course he’s special. He’s a global hedge fund private investment banking development trading management consultant for JP Morgan KKR & Company. Remember now?</p>
<p>“Bearcats, are you special?”
Never really thought about it. But if you so inclined, really depends on what context.
Athletically - no.
Aesthetically - no.
Writing - no.
EQ - no.
Pleasantness- sometimes
CC Post Count - maybe, on the cusp.
Stir up controversy - maybe, on the cusp.
Math ability - yes.
IQ - yes.</p>
<p>“Of course he’s special. He’s a global hedge fund private investment banking development trading management consultant for JP Morgan KKR & Company. Remember now?”</p>
<p>Sorry, after all this mumble jumble I feel like you are calling me a consultant. What an insult. Pfft</p>
<p>Christine Zhao, an Executive Director at JP Morgan, got her Masters in Economics and Finance at UA. She would probably be interested to hear what a lousy school UA is.</p>
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<p>Thanks for proving my point. Said person worked at an ordinary position at fedex after graduating from Alabama. </p>
<p>Went to HBS, and with the superior recruiting at Harvard, landed an SA stint at Goldman, joined corp dev full time (a much better career trajectory position) after graduating from HBS, and career took off from there.</p>
<p>Long story short, HBS opened the doors for her that Bama never opened. </p>
<p>Try again, let’s see what “exception to the rule cases” you can find after googling for another hour. But this time, find an actual exception please.</p>
<p>Oh and side note, just in case you are not aware and thought you found someone at the board level. EDs (some banks call it SVP) are basically middle management people, a dime a dozen at investment banks. Hierechy goes Analyst->associate->VP/Associate Director-> SVP/ED -> Managing Director -> Regional Head of Groups (who are also MDs) -> Global Head of Groups -> C-Levels. Banks do this so people can put big titles on business cards and make their clients feel important. Running joke about that is everyone’s a f’ing VP at a bank! It’s even funnier in Asia offices where every trading desk has a COO (not even kidding). </p>
<p>Look, a lot of people say oh you can go to a crappy school, do something interesting, get into a top MBA (or top grad school etc) and have a great career after that. Of course you can. I don’t have 5+ years of life/opportunity cost to waste though, but to each his own.</p>
<p>And your point is what exactly?</p>
<p>After she got her MBA from HBS she went back to FedEx and then went to Amex before joing JP Morgan.</p>
<p>I doubt that many people start as an executive director at JP Morgan right out of B-School.</p>
<p>bearcats - you’re confusing the issue. The discussion is regarding undergrad education. UA for undergrad, Harvard for grad school. It happens all the time. (Better yet - UA with FREE TUITION for undergrad, Harvard for grad school.)</p>
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<p>HA! Cite your source. There is not a chance that is true.</p>
<p>“After she got her MBA from HBS she went back to FedEx and then went to Amex before joing JP Morgan.”</p>
<p>She went to corp dev. Corp dev is a common exit op of IBD analysts. It’s actually a promising position, unlike the glorified accounting position she had before.</p>
<p>RTRMom2, of course it happens all the time. But that’s exactly my last point. It took this person 14 years to get to her current position. A kid at target school who joins IBD right out of undergrad would have gotten to the same level, but in a front office position, within 7-8 years (obviously a lot would have left the business for greener pasture, or burned out as well). It’s a waste of time/opportunity going through a convoluted way when you could have done it much easier at a target school. That was the point I was making, when I specifically talked about ENTRY LEVEL hiring in first place. If you are a top talent, and you have a choice between a target school and a non-target, it makes more sense to choose the target school and have a shot to directly get to a promising position, than say “oh I am going to choose the non-target, then i’ll waste a couple years working at my 60k boring job for 3 years, then get my MBA at HBS, then get to the job I REALLY WANT, and work towards the promising position some day”</p>
<p>2 years anaylst -> 3 years associate (A-to-A promotion)-> 2-3 years VP -> SVP/ED</p>
<p>Let’s also not forget treasury isn’t exactly the group top talents from target school flock to (it isn’t a group that pays the often maligned large bonuses)</p>
<p>Look, it’s safe to say that I dont subscribe to the saying that “Life is a marathon, not a sprint”. Maybe you do. Nothing wrong with that. A lot of people do as well. But for me, Life is a sprint, a very very long one, but a sprint nonetheless, until you retire. That’s probably why we disagree.</p>
<p>And you have a crystal ball that would have predicted this woman’s career path had she gone to HBS directly from Fudan U rather than getting her Masters degree at UA, working and then going to HBS?</p>
<p>Going to an “elite” school doesn’t guarantee success just as going to a non-elite school doesn’t guarantee failure.</p>
<p>Christine Y. Zhao, CFA
Class of 1997
CFO Asian Pacific
JP Morgan Chase</p>
<p>“The MSF program at UA is a rigorous program which gave me the knowledge and skills to become a high performer in some of the most competitive and respectful companies in the world – FedEx, Goldman Sachs, and American Express. I am grateful for the first-class education here.”</p>
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<p>“Going to an “elite” school doesn’t guarantee success just as going to a non-elite school doesn’t guarantee failure.”
Did I ever say otherwise?
I am a quant. I play probability. Going to an elite school gives you a much higher probability of success and going to a non-elite school gives you a much higher probability of failure.</p>
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The best way to answer that question is to ask the Career Center whether google and facebook (and whatever the latest fads in IT) recruit on campus, and be sure to ask when. UA does not disclose much on its public website. The participation list of the September Technical & Engineering Career Fair is not impressive (but perhaps it’s not complete).</p>
<p>On it already!
As we speak, I am filling out a form letter for an FOIA request to Alabama for the full list of companies that recruited on campus in the past 3 school years.</p>
<p>I agree that going to an elite school gives you a slight advantage because of networking.</p>
<p>What is “success” anyway?</p>
<p>If my children turn out to be elitist snobs I’ll consider myself a failure as a parent.</p>