U.S. News 2005 MBA Rankings

Graduate School Business School - MBA
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<p>I think this is great information. If this breakdown is available for other schools I think it would be very useful as a comparison point for prospective applicants. It could help an applicant determine the likely geographic distribution of his/her employment opportunites at the various schools.</p>

<p>My own personal experience as a student, and also a recruiter, indicates that there is a distinct regional bias to MBA placement at many schools. Not a dictate, just a bias. A portion of this is due to where the students "chose to work", as you say, but I believe another not insignificant portion is where job providers choose to recruit.</p>

<p>One reason I say this is, when I worked at a Fortune 500 company located in the midwest, we only recruited in the midwest and Texas for MBAs. </p>

<p>It's also true that I can't recall any grads of my East-coast B-school who went to the midwest, though obviously there must have been some. It would be interesting to see comparative placement stats on these schools.</p>

<p>A question about this that I would have is: if a graduate is hired at a NYC-based firm, for intended ultimate placement in its Chicago office but with a short stint at the main office first to get acclimated to the firm, they would still be counted in this chart as "Northeast", wouldn't they ?</p>

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<p>Good question Monydad. I am not sure many firms operate that way. I do not think a company will hire an MBA with the intend on sending them somewhere specific after a year or two. Maybe with internationals, but not within the US. That's just from my limited experience though.</p>

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<p>I don't know about "many firms", but the investment bank I worked for did this, for certain people recruited for regional offices in the US. They didn't want to just throw someone cold into a branch office, where they would need to operate rather more autonomously with less supervision and support, before they had an idea of what they were doing. So they spent at least a year first in NY. But it was known that these people were headed for the branch. </p>

<p>Of course sometimes it didn't work out that way. And some people were in fact thrown into a branch immediately. And other people besides these also wound up in a branch.</p>

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<p>"Business Week is just as accurate as USNWR. They too have 7 of the top 8 correct (Cornell and MIT is their only mistakes). I think combining the Business Week ranking with the USNWR ranking gives the perfect overall ranking. You would get the following result:</p>

<h1>1 Harvard</h1>

<h1>1 Northwestern (Kellogg)</h1>

<h1>1 Penn (Wharton)</h1>

<h1>1 Stanford</h1>

<h1>5 Chicago</h1>

<h1>6 MIT (Sloan)</h1>

<h1>7 Columbia</h1>

<h1>8 Michigan-Ann Arbor (Ross)</h1>

<h1>9 Dartmouth (Amso Tuck)</h1>

<h1>10 Duke (Fuqua)</h1>

<h1>11 Cornell (Johnson)</h1>

<h1>12 UVA (Darden)</h1>

<h1>13 UCLA (Anderson)</h1>

<h1>14 NYU (Stern)</h1>

<h1>15 Carnegie Mellon (Tepper)"</h1>

<p>alexandre, i would like to know if UC Berkeley (Haas) and maybe Yale were accidentally left out, or if they really didn't make the top 15 on this combined ranking.</p>

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<p>UC Berkeley was left out by mistake. It belongs between UVA and UCLA. </p>

<p>Yale is ranked below all the schools above.</p>

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<p>nice job at purposely misranking stern lower than it should be, by the way</p>

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<p>Quakerman, I do not see how I misranked NYU. They are ranked #14 according to the USNWR and #13 according to Businessweek. When you look at the average of the two polls, 14 schools are ranked above NYU.</p>

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<p>the same as ucla yet ucla gets 13 and nyu 14. funny.</p>

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<p>Actually, UCLA is #12 and #14. At any rate, the difference between the top 15 or 16 progbrams is not that great...and the difference between schools ranked between #10 and #15 is insignificant.</p>

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<p>I don't think anyone on earth will agree with:</p>

<p>"Stern, pound for pound, overall, is the best MBA program in the country"</p>

<p>I don't think anyone on earth would agree with NYU even being in the top 5. sorry...I know you have school pride and all which is good but seriously be realistic. Alexandre has school pride but I don't think that he would say that michigan is the best MBA program out there. Just think about what you are saying...If you weren't an NYU alum you'd be laughing at yourself. </p>

<p>oh btw may i ask you a question quakerman???
why is your name quakerman if you are not did not go to penn?</p>

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<p>not sure. btw how did you get into wharton with a 1300?</p>

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<p>international student 800M/500V</p>

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<p>It's funny how you have to resort to personal attacks on my intelligence because you just can't admit to yourself that NYU is not even close to being the best. Very mature of you...for a guy in your mid/late 20s I'd expect you to come back with intelligent points rather than 12 year old I'm smarter than you comebacks. classy buddy...I see that NYU really shaped you into an upstanding business leader. You are really showing everyone here what kind of people Stern produces...I think that you'd make them proud.</p>

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<p>I'm wondering if any of you really know what you are talking about. I don't mean to be condescending, but it seems as though there is a lot of misinformation out there. Half of what you hear with respect to business schools isn't true. The reality is that you have to spend a decent amount of time at any school, and speak to a large sample of people at each school to evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of a program. </p>

<p>How do you just know that NYU is not the number 1 school out there? Have you visited both programs and sat in classes at both? Have you talked to quite a few people at each schools? Have you taken an indepth look at what the professors at each school have done? </p>

<p>I'm not saying NYU is the number 1 school, I'm saying that most of you discredit the statement without any information on the school other than word of mouth from others who havent been and a few silly rankings. I can't believe all of you look at rankings so much. Go to the schools, check them out, and make your own assesement. I'm not saying that the rankings aren't useful at all, but damn, some of you are pretty naive. MIT is ranked 4th, but did you know that just a few years ago it was ranked 15th. Have things really changed that much at MIT? Imagine you turned it down because the rankings said it was lower ranked school before.</p>

<p>Having spent a significant amount of time in several of the schools, I want to reiterate again to not believe everything you hear. A couple of you knocked Yale's curriculum, but I am certain that they have one of the most rigorous and well designed curriculum's out there. To say that they are only strong in NP is in no way true. Did you know that they nabbed two of Chicago's top finance professors over the last two years, one of which won teacher of the year at Chicago the past two years???? They did left Chicago because Yale is the leader in behavioural finance&economics, which moving forward is the direction all finance curriculums are starting to move towards. It sounds like very few of you knew this. I think someone said that you wouldn't go to Yale for entrepreneurship, yet they have arguably the best entreprenuership professor in the world (David Cromwell) that attracts top budding entreprenuers from all over the world.</p>

<p>Recruiting is another area where people seem to talk without knowing. Everyone talks about placement, etc., but the bottom line is that no MBA program is going to hand you a job at graduation. Believe it or not, if you are smart and good at what you do, you will probably get a job you really like if you stay focused and work hard. No MBA program is going to hand you anything over. For example, schools that are known to have good marketing programs will draw in more positions, but the competition for those positions will be more fierce than at other schools. In the end, the difference tends to be marginal, and the probability of success depends on yourself, not your school.</p>

<p>These are just a couple of examples. Sorry to rant, but I just find it very irritating when people talk when they dont know what they are talking about. I know its easy to caught up in the rankings and stuff, but any business school student will tell you that once you actually get in business school, the last thing that crosses your mind on a day-to-day basis is where the school sits in the rankings. Have an open mind, go visit the schools you are interested in, ask questions when you are there, and go to the place that is the best fit for you.</p>

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I'm not saying NYU is the number 1 school, I'm saying that most of you discredit the statement without any information on the school other than word of mouth from others who havent been and a few silly rankings.

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<p>Since in practice, it's impossible/not practical to attend more than 1 MBA, you have to resort to published rankings and reports. That's just how the system works. It's not perfect, but it's the best you can do. By the way, I think putting that statement without any support is actually worse than discrediting it without any information. There's just nothing tangible out there to support that statement and that's why people are quick to attack it.</p>

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A couple of you knocked Yale's curriculum, but I am certain that they have one of the most rigorous and well designed curriculum's out there. To say that they are only strong in NP is in no way true. Did you know that they nabbed two of Chicago's top finance professors over the last two years, one of which won teacher of the year at Chicago the past two years???? They did left Chicago because Yale is the leader in behavioural finance&economics, which moving forward is the direction all finance curriculums are starting to move towards. It sounds like very few of you knew this. I think someone said that you wouldn't go to Yale for entrepreneurship, yet they have arguably the best entreprenuership professor in the world (David Cromwell) that attracts top budding entreprenuers from all over the world.

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<p>Well, how can you be so certain that they have one of the most rigorous and well designed curriculums out there? Without any other reports and surveys suggesting that, I'd think you actually have to do many other MBAs in order to be able to tell. I mean people can say MIT has one of the most rigorous engineering curriculum out there because there are student surveys and numerous detailed comparisons to support it. It's nice that Yale is trying to improve. But then other schools are probably also doing their own things to improve. Whether Yale will see its fruit and catch up some of those in front (whoever they are) remains to be seen.</p>

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MIT is ranked 4th, but did you know that just a few years ago it was ranked 15th. Have things really changed that much at MIT

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<p>Flipside, you are mixing your rankings here. MIT is currently ranked 4th in USNews. However, MIT was never ranked 15th in any of the USNews rankings - the lowest they have ever been in USNews is 4th. MIT had been previously ranked 15th in a former BW ranking. But comparing different ranking numbers in different ranking systems is not evidence of 'change', it's just a matter of how different ranking systems look at different things. </p>

<p>Now, it is true that MIT was also ranked 4th in another previous BW ranking (in 2000, I believe). So if you had said that "MIT was ranked 4th", I would not dispute what you are saying. But you said "MIT is ranked 4th", which must mean that you are referring to a current ranking, which means that you must be referring to the current USNews (the current BW has MIT = 9th). </p>

<p>And personally, I think that what you are really pointing out is not changes at MIT, but rather an anomaly of BW. This is why I don't trust the BW rankings all that much - precisely because they fluctuate far too strongly. According to BW, Dartmouth has ranked anywhere from 3-16, MIT has ranked anywhere from 4-15, Cornell has ranked anywhere from 5-18, Chicago has ranked anywhere from 2-11, Stanford has ranked anywhere from 4-11. What you're really pointing out is that BW is not exactly a stable ranking. But other rankings are far more stable, most notably USNews. </p>

<p>So if say that you have issues with the fluctuations of the BW ranking, I agree with you. But to generalize that to all rankings, that's where we part company.</p>

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<p>Sakky, USNWR has ranked Michigan between #4 and #13 over the last 10 years. And USNWR has ranked Cal between #6 and #18 over the last 10 years. Ranking Michigan at #13 is as ridiculous as ranking Stanford or MIT out of the top 10. And Rranking Haas among the top 7 or 8 is also ridiculous. USNWR certainly has its quirks too, just as BW does. I believe if you take the historic averages, you have a better big picture.</p>

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<p>Yet I am fairly sure that if were take the 'total variance' of all the top schools in each of the rankings, USNews's would be less than BW's. If somebody wants to do the calculation and prove me wrong, be my guest. However, my point is simple - BW tends to fluctuate more than USNews does. That's not to say that USNews doesn't fluctuate at all, just that it fluctuates less. Bottom line - both have anomalies, but BW's anomalies are worse. </p>

<p>Also, in what year was Cal ranked #18 in USNews?</p>

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<p>Sakky & Alexandre,</p>

<p>I know there's one book out there describing the top MBA programs; Is that published by BW? Maybe it would shed some light as to why there's such variance. I think I read that (maybe from that book or maybe not) how Kellogg students really love their school whereas Stanford's grads seem to have mixed feeling. I also read from somewhere (maybe from that book again?) how this former dean of Kellogg (Jacob is his name?) innovated some progressive curriculum and how it became the model that many b-schools followed. LOL! I wish I could retain what I read more. That's why I quitted premed (not good at memorization). Reading that probably like 3 or 4 years ago certainly doesn't help.</p>

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<p>Hello all,
I have got admission to both Santa Clara University (Leavey) and UC Berkeley (Haas) for part time MBA program. Among part time MBAs Haas is ranked 5th and Leavey is ranked 10th. I like Leavey because it is closer to my work and home and also I heard that lectures and interactions with professors is much better at Leavey. Alumni networks are comparable to each other. However Haas has better reputation overall. </p>

<p>Would anybody help me decide on which school I attend? How do employers perceive these two schools with respect to each other? Please help me!</p>