<p>I hate those myths about certain schools having high suicide rates. For any school that you’ve heard of its probably not true.</p>
<p>I read NYU has the highest suicide rate. Read not heard.</p>
<p>haha I’ve never heard of Cornell being the “Ivy Party School”</p>
<p>Penn? yes. Dartmouth? yes. Even Yale? yes. </p>
<p>But not Cornell. Cornell is freezing and in the middle of nowhere. I also hear of them having a major Ivy inferiority complex because people don’t acknowledge them to be as good as HYPC and Penn Wharton, nor as fun or cool as Brown, Dartmouth and Penn regular. More like the “forgotten Ivy”. </p>
<p>If given the choice (I didn’t apply to either) I’d go to UVA. It’s the best school in your program and you’ll have much more fun. You get to live in a college town and get the full experience. Additionally, something to think about, is that people will be thoroughly impressed with your degree without the negative connotations that “ivy league” might bring about.</p>
<p>just curious…what are some negative ivy connotations?</p>
<p>Elitist. Snotty. Snobish.</p>
<p>But then again a UVA connotation is “preppy” so…
But yeah, I agree that UVA is the way to go. Best undergrad business program? Go for it!</p>
<p>The suicide crap is BS. Not factual at all. Look it up if you do not want to believe it!</p>
<p>Both UVA and Cornell are great schools. Since both are great and have great programs, ask yourself which school you would be proudest having on your vitae a few years out. Will you have to explain one or excuse the other?? Would you feel prouder saying one vs. the other?</p>
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<p>So, you “hear of” this? Do you spend much of your time on the lovely campus at Cornell, such that this kind of condescending statement might have a shred of validity? If you are a student at Stanford or Harvard, and you defend your alma mater from false hearsay, then I guess you are simply a loyal alum. However, it is somehow an “inferiority complex” for Cornelllian’s to occasionally debunk boneheaded, and sometimes malicious, myths about their fine school. Would you have them just say “so what, la di da, who cares” to pompous airheads peddling specious academic propaganda? Please.</p>
<p>@Morrismm. yeah that’s the problem. I think McIntire’s program maybe a better fit for me, but Cornell’s name is kinda irresistible. Call me an Elitist, but telling people that I turned down Cornell is kinda…hard to explain.</p>
<p>Hey,
I’ve been considering both schools too (applying next year). Here are my thoughts:
-If you are not planning on going to grad school, go to Cornell
-If you live in Virginia, go to UVA
-Both have about the same size, UVA is only slightly more urban and has the historic feel to it (they say that Ithaca is known for three things: cows, corn, and Cornell. You’ll be spending your entire college life inside the college grounds because theres nothing to do outside of it, but that isn’t necessarily bad.)</p>
<p>But honestly, you can’t go wrong at either school.</p>
<p>Hoffman_oliver, have you visited both schools? I really think you should if you can. That will definitely open your eyes as to which school would fit you best.</p>
<p>I think there are some things to note about McIntire besides its [#1</a> ranking]( <a href=“http://bwnt.businessweek.com/interactive_reports/undergrad_bschool_2009/?chan=magazine+channel_special+report]#1”>http://bwnt.businessweek.com/interactive_reports/undergrad_bschool_2009/?chan=magazine+channel_special+report). First of all, the Comm School is now located in [brand</a> new buildings](<a href=“http://www.commerce.virginia.edu/building/]brand”>http://www.commerce.virginia.edu/building/) with state of the art facilities, which were almost completely paid for by alumni though UVa is a public school. (In other words, McIntire grads are very successful.) The school also has a [Moneyline Telerate Center](<a href=“http://www.commerce.virginia.edu/Technology/Labs/MTC.html”>http://www.commerce.virginia.edu/Technology/Labs/MTC.html</a>) comprised of a capital markets room and a capital trading room.</p>
<p>Secondly, with McIntire’s [integrated</a> core curriculum](<a href=“http://www.commerce.virginia.edu/academic_programs/undergraduate/ICE.html]integrated”>http://www.commerce.virginia.edu/academic_programs/undergraduate/ICE.html), CEOs and other executives from corporate-sponsor companies like [Dow</a> Chemical](<a href=“http://www.commerce.virginia.edu/newsletter/archives/2001_01/topnews/ICE.html]Dow”>http://www.commerce.virginia.edu/newsletter/archives/2001_01/topnews/ICE.html), [Rolls Royce](<a href=“http://www.virginia.edu/uvatoday/newsRelease.php?id=3343”>http://www.virginia.edu/uvatoday/newsRelease.php?id=3343</a>), and [Procter</a> & Gamble](<a href=“http://www.commerce.virginia.edu/NEWSLETTER/archives/2004_03/student_news/ice_sponsors.htm]Procter”>http://www.commerce.virginia.edu/NEWSLETTER/archives/2004_03/student_news/ice_sponsors.htm) actually work with students in the classroom on real-life business issues. I think this contributed to McIntire’s high ranking and students’ high regard for the school.</p>
<p>Lastly, McIntire like the rest of UVa has a major international focus – with its students [offering</a> consulting services to socially responsible organizations around the world](<a href=“http://www.commerce.virginia.edu/newsletter/2008_05/seed.html]offering”>http://www.commerce.virginia.edu/newsletter/2008_05/seed.html), to UVa exchange agreements with fellow [Universitas</a> 21](<a href=“http://www.universitas21.com/memberlist.html]Universitas”>http://www.universitas21.com/memberlist.html) universities and [other</a> schools](<a href=“http://www.virginia.edu/uvatoday/newsRelease.php?id=4276]other”>http://www.virginia.edu/uvatoday/newsRelease.php?id=4276), as well as even more [global</a> educational opportunities](<a href=“http://www.commerce.virginia.edu/global/study_abroad/index.asp]global”>http://www.commerce.virginia.edu/global/study_abroad/index.asp) in countries like China, Denmark, England (three programs), France (two programs), Ireland, Italy, New Zealand, Singapore, and Spain (two programs) that fit seamlessly with McIntire’s ICE Core Curriculum.</p>
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<p>Who is this “they”? Ithaca is a vibrant, artistic, and creative small city with fantastic restaurants, amazing art galleries, great musical performers, two big colleges, and exquisite natural surroundings that include spectacular lakes, gorges, and waterfalls. Plus, it’s a four hour ride to Manhattan, if you occasionally want a more dense and congested environment.</p>
<p>If you can afford it, go to Cornell, if not then go to UVA
both schools are very similar</p>
<p>@Globalist - Why is UVA ranked 96th on USN&WRs [World’s</a> Best Colleges and Universities](<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/worlds-best-colleges/2008/11/20/worlds-best-colleges-and-universities-top-200.html?PageNr=2]World’s”>http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/worlds-best-colleges/2008/11/20/worlds-best-colleges-and-universities-top-200.html?PageNr=2)?</p>
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<p>this shouldn’t be mentioned as a plus, considering that it takes 4 hrs to get to NYC from a school of the same state, whilst kids at Penn, Princeton, etc can probably get there within 2 hours. Also, the ride to NYC from UVA might be just as long. lol</p>
<p>edit: and Colm, why do rankings matter so much? If that were the case, I’d ask why Cornell’s business program is ranked below UVA’s, NYU’s, UMich, Carnegie Mellon, etc.</p>
<p>^^It’s a plus for people who like to have a small buffer in between themselves and big grimy cities for a period of their lives.</p>
<p>Small disparities in rankings usually don’t mean much, huge ones often do.</p>
<p>Hey Colm, why is McIntire ranked #1? LOL! Honestly, I don’t subscribe to rankings. That’s why I gave real reasons to attend the McIntire school.</p>
<p>Globalist - You write above that you “don’t subscribe to rankings,” yet the most prominent aspect of your post was the #1 ranking for one single program of UVA. So, Cornell is at number eight this year in this specialized major (they were fourth last year). Okay, Cornell is still solidly in the top ten in this specialization. Why, however, is the differential between Cornell and UVA 81 slots for the more encompassing Best Colleges and Universities?</p>
<p>Haha, I referred to UVA’s Business Week ranking because Matthewmo mentioned it. In fact, didn’t I write “I think there are some things to note about McIntire besides its #1 ranking” and then I continued with actual facts rather than superficial statements about rankings?</p>
<p>What “superficial statement”?</p>
<p>You still haven’t answered the simple question: why the 81 slot disparity? Oh yeah, it is only “superficial,” so you’ll just conveniently gloss over it I guess.</p>
<p>Aren’t we talking about business schools? Why haven’t you made a strong argument as to why Cornell’s business school is stronger than UVA’s? Even McIntire grads earn more when they graduate. UVa = $58k, Cornell = $55k.</p>