I was just wondering…if it’s possible to indicate your ethnicity in your essay. If it is, doesnt this violate prop 209…saying that race cannot be a factor in the admissions process? Do the UC’s even take race into account if it’s in your essay? Ok any info would be great…thanks
<p>if they take race into account, there is gonna be sum heft lawsuits against UC's once again. They can't take it into admission process. But i think they secretyly do and will get caught in the future</p>
<p>hmm...but how could someone prove that they are actually using race...well they probably could years from now</p>
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<p>You might be able to with statistics. But it's obvious they use affirmative action, why else would they be proud that they have a "comprehensive review" policy, every college comprehensively reviews their applicants. Why else would you ask for essays and ECs?</p>
<p>we dont have a guidance counselor at our school due to CA budget cuts but out "career center advisor" which is basically a demoted GC with less responsibility, told us that its not a bad idea to include ur race in the essay if u r a minority. from what ive heard of the stats of minorities getting in, i think its a good idea specially if you can connect ur race into ur life, struggles, etc. good luck</p>
<p>duh... htey use AA.</p>
<p>have a mexican american appy with ur same states. he'll get accepted and any white boy will get rejected.</p>
<p>AA will be mainstream for the next decade or so, sadly.</p>
<p>They get around the AA ban by using comprehensive review, which gives points for things like being the first in your family to go to college, socioeconomic and other adversity, etc.</p>
<p>thanks for the responses guys..i really appreciate it. But say that a black kid and a white kid have the same stats...and both have the same lifestyle(both are rich)...will the black guy still have an advantage at the UC's..if he indicated what his race was in his essay?</p>
<p>The black kid could probably write an essay about how his race influenced his life and he was able to overcome adversity because of it, or that he had unique experiences growing up as a minority.</p>
<p>yes, but would that give him a boost in the admissions process?</p>
<p>"They get around the AA ban by using comprehensive review, which gives points for things like being the first in your family to go to college, socioeconomic and other adversity, etc."</p>
<p>Isnt this what people argue for socieconomic AA then what is the problem.</p>
<p>Some people argue that socioeconomic AA is better than race-based AA. Others don't think there should be AA at all.</p>
<p>If you're Asian, the adcoms will know as soon as they see your last name..</p>
<p>the adcoms can't see your name...they serisouly use socioeconomic AA, the way it should be IMO.</p>
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newpswahine writes: they serisouly (sic) use socioeconomic AA, the way it should be IMO
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It may be the way it should be, but is NOT what they do. You really ought to find out what you're talking about before you post junk like that. In fact, the UC policy was specifically designed to avoid socioeconomic factors because that would have brought in too many poor whites & asians.</p>
<p>Don't believe me? Would you believe the UCLA admissions director? According to an interview, and this is a direct quote
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Former UCLA admissions director Rae Lee Siporin says the new system also was intended to make the student body as reflective as possible of the state's population. She says UCLA determined that simply using poverty as an index of disadvantage would reduce diversity, because it wouldn't help middle-class blacks and Hispanics and it would "pull in" lots of low-income Asians.
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See <a href="http://www.astro.ucla.edu/%7Emalkan/golden.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~malkan/golden.html</a></p>
<p>Its pretty clear the program intends to (and does) use race as a criteria, but they have good lawyers and I'll bet they crafted the policy in a way that will pass judicial review. One example -- you can get credit for taking certain college-prep programs, but those programs are only offered in predominantly minority schools. The goal is of course clear, but since you COULD transfer in theory to one of those schools even if you were white/asian, it probably passes the legal test.</p>
<p>Its pretty clear the program intends (and does) use race as a criteria, but they have good lawyers and I'll bet they crafted the policy in a way that will pass judicial review. One example -- you can get credit for taking certain college-prep programs, but those programs are only offered in predominantly minority schools. The intent is of course clear, but since you COULD transfer in theory to one of those schools even if you were white/asian, it probably passes the legal test.</p>
<p>my friend who is Mexican, 1410 SAT score, ranked 4 out of 700, low income, single parent house hold, first generation, captain of water polo team, in band, has had a job since she turned 16, and she's also in AVID, but she got rejected from UCLA. race isn't a factor. she's in AVID, so they must've known she's minority according to you. 'junk' wow, talk about rude.</p>
<p>newpswahine, the more you post the sillier you're looking!!</p>
<p>Let's see, there's a nationally-published newspaper with a direct quote from the ucla admissions director at the time the comprehensive review was being designed stating that they decided NOT to use socio-economic factors because it wouldn't work the way they wanted it to. Anybody in the world could look up that issue and see if its really what they printed. If you ever take an AP class, you'll learn this is what is termed "primary evidence".</p>
<p>Contrasted with that we have an anonymous posting by you describing an event that supposedly happened to an anonymous friend, a claim that can be verified by nobody. Even if it IS true, it describes exactly one person. And what DOES it prove? If every person who is a minority isn't admitted then the uc system can't be paying attention to race? Look up "straw man argument" in any reference about debating.</p>
<p>Bottom-line, based on evidence about one person (when we have no way of knowing whether its true or not) we are supposed to conclude that the admission director at ucla didn't know what she was talking about? You crack me up!</p>
<p>Oh, you might also want to look up "anecdotal evidence" in regards to debates. Its usually filed under fallacies.</p>
<p>BTW, for those still bothering to read this thread, there is another interesting quote in the article. From a legislative leader in CA who was pushing for changes, it says "Latino legislative leader Marco Antonio Firebaugh, a force behind adoption of the new system, agrees: "We found that using poverty yields a lot of poor white kids and poor Asian kids,"</p>
<p>Is there anything else you can do to explain away the quotes from the director of admissions at ucla and a senior legislator? Surely you have another anecdotal story?</p>
<p>do you know how many black males that weren't on athletic scholarships entered UCLA last year? 15. WOW, that's A LOT!!! race is DEFINITELY TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT! those 15 wouldn't be able to make it to UCLA if race wasn't taking into account. I hope you notice the sarcasm. also, right before my quote I was going to say "this is just one example I have," but I erased it because that link you have is only one example of an asian not getting in and a minority getting in. the student body is obvisously not reflective of the CA's population. Is california only made up of 15% hispanics? of course not.</p>
<p>whatever, I'm going to UCLA next fall, so I've taken my share of AP classes. It's funny how you assume all kinds of things from people you never even met.</p>
<p>sorry, 30, not 15 male blacks entered UCLA. not like that's any better.</p>