<p>Big "C" stands for Campus housing 13 miles away...</p>
<p>haha, no regrets at all or 'insecurities' about my choices. by the way, my best friend will be at UCLA because of a baseball scholarship. i did take the tour last march, i know the distance from the hill to south campus. it's a lot longer than what we have walking from our dorms to classes. goog luck to all of you in the fall. :)</p>
<p>Well, at any rate, "much nicer housing" is certainly an overstatement... I certainly saw Berkeley's housing as a negative, but I suppose we are all entitled to our own opinions. I did stay with a friend in Unit 2 last year and it wasn't half bad, I suppose :P.</p>
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i would've thought that students from a school of Cal's caliber would have something better to do with their time...or am i sensing some insecurity over your beloved Cal?
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<p>Cute, but irrelevant, really.</p>
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CA2006: um...what the hell are you talking about? did you even read my post or this thread? even at 19 meals/week UCLA is still cheaper. Think about where UCLA and Cal are located. UCLA is surrounded by millionaires in Beverly Hills, Westwood and Bel-Air. Cal is surrounded by the homeless.
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<p>You really seem to know little about the Bay Area and specifically the Berkeley (city) housing situation if you think it's surrounded by homeless people and little more. Take a short stroll up the hill and see the many multi-million dollar homes. You also have no authority as to where people can post, so it'd be nice if you didn't act as if you did when talking to CA2006.</p>
<p>I don't think it's certain that much nicer housing is an overstatement, particularly if we're all entitled to our opinions, and if opinions mean personal preferences, and we agree that personal preferences cannot be wrong or incorrect from the perspective of the person holding them. You can disagree with them, but can they "certainly be an overstatement" generally, or from a different person's view? (Hint- the latter).</p>
<p>I just got my wisdom teeth taken out and am feeling ambivalent, so... sure!</p>
<p>What about the quality of food? UCLA offers the undisputed best dorm food in the UC system, and that's the main reason why more students return to on-campus housing at UCLA than at any other UC campus... Bruin Cafe smoothies, anyone? :rolleyes:</p>
<p>The data shows that UCLA is significantly cheaper than Cal. That's not an "opinion" unless you want to ignore the data altogether.</p>
<p>Citan, why don't you read what we wrote? The subject matter was quality, not prices. Additionally, I didn't tell you how you can or cannot act, I merely suggested that you abide by the terms of serivce by informing you about what it said. You clearly can talk to anyone however you are physically capable of talking to them. You might want to read the terms of service and try to abide by them.</p>
<p>Flopsy, UCLA does have the best on-campus food of the UCs where I have eaten.</p>
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Citan, why don't you read what we wrote? The subject matter was quality, not prices. Additionally, I didn't tel you how you can or cannot act, I merely suggested that you abide by the terms of serivce by informing you about what it said. You might want to read the terms of service and try to abide by it.
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<p>quality was never being debated...the prices were. You should at least read the title of thread before posting. And if my conduct is a problem, well that's what the moderators are for, so I would appreciate it if you keep your suggestions to yourself.</p>
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Well, at any rate, "much nicer housing" is certainly an overstatement... I certainly saw Berkeley's housing as a negative, but I suppose we are all entitled to our own opinions. I did stay with a friend in Unit 2 last year and it wasn't half bad, I suppose :P.
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<p>Looks like quality and not price to me.</p>
<p>But citan, take your own advice- keep your suggestions to yourself. Could you try to be civil towards me? I try to towards you, but you always come off as so insulting and needlessly discourteous.</p>
<p>"Think about where UCLA and Cal are located. UCLA is surrounded by millionaires in Beverly Hills, Westwood and Bel-Air. Cal is surrounded by the homeless."</p>
<p>Except college dorm fees aren't set by the whims of the open, real-estate market. They're set by the administration to achieve a certain revenue level needed by the budget. Pure and simple.</p>
<p>"Looks like quality and not price to me."</p>
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For every two triples, three doubles (which cost more) in the varying places (which vary in price) must exist to balance out the cost to make the average 13,000 or whatever they provided.
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<p>looks like price to me. read the whole thread...quality was never discussed. </p>
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But citan, take your own advice- keep your suggestions to yourself. Could you try to be civil towards me? I try to towards you, but you always come off as so insulting and needlessly discourteous.
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<p>I think you are a bit too sensitive...not to mention you have the "leader"-complex. If you can't participate in an argument then don't bother to. You started the "suggestion" game....unless you are somehow related to CA2006, I see no reason for your policing. You are not a moderator either.</p>
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Except college dorm fees aren't set by the whims of the open, real-estate market. They're set by the administration to achieve a certain revenue level needed by the budget. Pure and simple.
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<p>I wasn't saying that they are set by the "whims" of the real estate market....but they do play a part.</p>
<p>Citan, if you really think the quotation I put from <a href="mailto:jhype17@yahoo.com">jhype17@yahoo.com</a> is about price and not quality, you should work on your critical reading skills. At the very least, I said something relating to quality in response to <a href="mailto:jhype17@yahoo.com">jhype17@yahoo.com</a> comment which you think isn't about quality, so saying "quality was never discussed" is clearly inaccurate. Even if you ignore my comment to her, you and I are talking about quality (or at they very least we are talking about talking about quality) right now! Obviously the bulk of this thread is about cost or price, as is the title, as is the quotation you picked.</p>
<p>I'm pretty sure I have no "leader complex" (whatever that is), but maybe I'll take it up with a psychologist sometime. I'm fully able to participate in arguments, and you can feel free to ignore whaver you want (such as parts of the tos). I guess it's not okay to suggest that people should abide by the terms of service of the forum (because I'm not a moderator). I'm aware that I'm not a moderator. Such an insightful observation, citan.</p>
<p>There's really no reason to continue going down this road.</p>
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Citan, if you really think the quotation I put from <a href="mailto:jhype17@yahoo.com">jhype17@yahoo.com</a> is about price and not quality, you should work on your critical reading skills. At the very least, I said something relating to quality in response to <a href="mailto:jhype17@yahoo.com">jhype17@yahoo.com</a> comment which you think isn't about quality, so saying "quality was never discussed" is clearly inaccurate. Even if you ignore my comment to her, you and I are talking about quality (or at they very least we are talking about talking about quality) right now! Obviously the bulk of this thread is about cost or price, as is the title, as is the quotation you picked.
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<p>Wait...you are telling me that the entire thread is about one comment posted by <a href="mailto:jhype17@yahoo.com">jhype17@yahoo.com</a> which is on the second page? Look at what you wrote in your first post.</p>
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And the article is a very crude measure of anything, flopsy. Many students at Berkeley are paying substatially less for housing than the single "estimate" provided and used for the survey. Every person in a triple in the units pays less than 10,000, over 3,000 different than the estimate given. For every two triples, three doubles (which cost more) in the varying places (which vary in price) must exist to balance out the cost to make the average 13,000 or whatever they provided. The survey doesn't really say if the number is how much the average student living in university housing is paying (I hope it's trying to do this). The methodology of the survey (or how the estimate was deteremined, what it means) isn't really shown. In addition, student trends would tell a lot about what the average student pays in his or her time at an institution. For instance, at some schools it is almost unheard of to live off-campus other than during time studying abroad, but for some schools, very few students live on campus, even for one year.
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<p>Looks like price to me. The bulk of this thread IS about the cost, which is what is being discussed. I suggest you sharpen your "critical reading skills" before attacking someone else.</p>
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I'm pretty sure I have no "leader complex" (whatever that is), but maybe I'll take it up with a psychologist sometime. I'm fully able to participate in arguments, and you can feel free to ignore whaver you want (such as parts of the tos). I guess it's not okay to suggest that people should abide by the terms of service of the forum (because I'm not a moderator). I'm aware that I'm not a moderator. Such an insightful observation, citan.
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<p>Well, you do have something...but let's wait till you get back from the shrink. Thanks for your compliment about my "insightful observation"...I have been known to make those. And, I reiterate, you are not a moderator...thus it's not your job nor do you have any authority to tell me what I can or cannot post about. Imagine if a doctor stopped you in the middle of the road and told you not to speed. Exactly. Let the moderators do their jobs.</p>
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There's really no reason to continue going down this road.
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<p>I agree that there's "no reason to continue going down this road"....but let me make another "insightful observation" and suggest that you take the road leading to <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/forumdisplay.php?f=44%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/forumdisplay.php?f=44</a></p>
<p>Thanks</p>
<p>Citan, have you ever heard of a straw man argument? That's when a person argues against an argument the person with whom they are arguing never made. I didn't even imply that most of the post wasn't about cost or price. In fact, in my last post, I dirrectly stated that most of it was in fact about cost/price. I also neither stated nor implied that the entire thread was about jhype's comment, but you certainly did state repeatedly that "quality was never discussed." However, I pointed out in my last post that it clearly was. Are we clear now, or do you still believe that "quality was never discussed?" I'm not attacking anybody, I'm just talking.</p>
<p>Again, I never said anything about any authority or obligation I have, but feel free to continue with your straw men or do whatever you want. Apparently you don't think that's okay for me to do what I want freely (as you keep urging me away). Like I said earlier, you might want to consider taking your own advice and keep your suggestions to yourself. Why be a hypocrite?</p>
<p>You're welcome. :)</p>
<p>This is giving me a headache- I'm confused as to what point you guys are trying to make.</p>
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Citan, have you ever heard of a straw man argument? That's when a person argues against an argument the person with whom they are arguing never made. I didn't even imply that most of the post wasn't about cost or price. In fact, in my last post, I dirrectly stated that most of it was in fact about cost/price. I also neither stated nor implied that the entire thread was about jhype's comment, but you certainly did state repeatedly that "quality was never discussed." However, I pointed out in my last post that it clearly was. Are we clear now, or do you still believe that "quality was never discussed?" I'm not attacking anybody, I'm just talking.
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<p>Read what you wrote yourself.</p>
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And the article is a very crude measure of anything, flopsy. Many students at Berkeley are paying substatially less for housing than the single "estimate" provided and used for the survey. Every person in a triple in the units pays less than 10,000, over 3,000 different than the estimate given.
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<p>I will repeat again, the thread is about the costs not quality...if you want to have your own discussion about whose dorms are nicer I suggest you make your own thread.</p>
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Again, I never said anything about any authority or obligation I have, but feel free to continue with your straw men or do whatever you want. Apparently you don't think that's okay for me to do what I want freely (as you keep urging me away). Like I said earlier, you might want to consider taking your own advice and keep your suggestions to yourself. Why be a hypocrite?
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<p>you were calling me a hypocrite?</p>
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<p>We have moderators here?</p>
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<p>That's one of Citan's fuzzy qualities that makes us love him so much! :D</p>
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<p>I got a little "note" from one of them once</p>
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That's one of Citan's fuzzy qualities that makes us love him so much!
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<p>I wouldn't call it fuzzy :rolleyes:</p>